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  • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Not at all. Statements from all relevant agencies say that tear gas wasn't used. You cited one official saying pepper balls were used, which can irritate the eyes, but that's not even close to what most people think of as tear gas.

    So we're back to square one: no definitive evidence that tear gas was used.
    We have a tear gas canister which was recovered at the scene in the immediate aftermath. We have names, faces, and reputations associated with those who recovered it. That is strong evidence you want to pretend isn't there.

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    • This is the video I saw with a protester whose eyes were tearing up.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tTAPLi-pto

      In retrospect, no one else appeared to be having having difficulty. Tear gas would have had a major effect on everyone in the area. He may have gotten a direct hit with "smoke". But as CP notes elsewhere, it is clear the police were not wearing gas masks as they marched straight into the cloud. There's simply no way they would use gas and not use protection.

      Having said this, the police appear to be rather brutal in the way they cleared the area. But actual tear gas? It makes no sense.

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      • Originally posted by Ronson View Post
        This is the video I saw with a protester whose eyes were tearing up.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tTAPLi-pto

        In retrospect, no one else appeared to be having having difficulty. Tear gas would have had a major effect on everyone in the area. He may have gotten a direct hit with "smoke". But as CP notes elsewhere, it is clear the police were not wearing gas masks as they marched straight into the cloud. There's simply no way they would use gas and not use protection.

        Having said this, the police appear to be rather brutal in the way they cleared the area. But actual tear gas? It makes no sense.
        Yeah, and there are people who have allergies that could tear up in smoke.
        "Neighbor, how long has it been since youíve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?Ē

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        • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          Yeah, and there are people who have allergies that could tear up in smoke.
          Yep, I'm one of those who's eyes would tear up in the smoke.

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          • Originally posted by DivineBoob View Post
            We have a tear gas canister which was recovered at the scene in the immediate aftermath. We have names, faces, and reputations associated with those who recovered it. That is strong evidence you want to pretend isn't there.
            So what? Is there evidence that the canister was deployed by civil authorities?
            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
            Than a fool in the eyes of God


            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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            • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
              So what? Is there evidence that the canister was deployed by civil authorities?
              The recovery of the canister in the immediate aftermath a chaotic crowd control incident involving multiple police forces is on its own very strong circumstantial evidence which makes a prime facie case that it had been used by the authorities. Recall that the protestors were unruly, had been throwing missiles at the police, and had stashed multiple lethal weapons along the path for use at moments notice. Further add that the President was due in the vicinity shortly and it's no wonder that such force would be employed.

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              • Originally posted by DivineBoob View Post
                The recovery of the canister in the immediate aftermath a chaotic crowd control incident involving multiple police forces is on its own very strong circumstantial evidence which makes a prime facie case that it had been used by the authorities. Recall that the protestors were unruly, had been throwing missiles at the police, and had stashed multiple lethal weapons along the path for use at moments notice. Further add that the President was due in the vicinity shortly and it's no wonder that such force would be employed.
                Wait, I thought they were "peaceful protesters".

                But isn't it funny how there's supposedly a tear gas cylinder lying around for a random reporter to find, and yet we haven't heard any reports from multiple witnesses who suffered from the effects of tear gas. Now isn't that strange.
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                  Wait, I thought they were "peaceful protesters".
                  You convinced me that they weren't.


                  But isn't it funny how there's supposedly a tear gas cylinder lying around for a random reporter to find, and yet we haven't heard any reports from multiple witnesses who suffered from the effects of tear gas. Now isn't that strange.
                  Isn't it strange that you suddenly want to change the subject.

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                  • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    Yeah, and there are people who have allergies that could tear up in smoke.
                    Don't need to have an allergy to tear up if the smoke gets directly in your eyes. And tear gas causes uncontrollable tearing, like someone dialed the water works up to full maximum. You don't just "tear up."

                    Yes, speaking from experience here.

                    I'm always still in trouble again

                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization thatís not the argument." --Tassman

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                    • Originally posted by DivineOb View Post
                      You convinced me that they weren't.



                      Isn't it strange that you suddenly want to change the subject.
                      The loss of moral authority from the US wrt oppressive regimes the world over is the cost of Trump and Barrs reckless actions. How can we criticize Chima or Russia or Turkey when we are willing to gas, shoot at and bully our own protestors for a photo op?

                      it has not gone unnoticed. China has basically seen this as justification to raise their head high about tianenmen square. Openly mocking the US former status as a 'beacon of light' for democracy.

                      And the regulars and owners of this website get to stand back and revel in the knowledge they wholeheartedly support this further degradation of US moral authority, and of standing behind and voicing their support for the continuous slide towards authoritarian models and means by this administration.
                      Last edited by oxmixmudd; 06-06-2020, 06:28 AM.
                      Mockery is the argument of the mentally and/or emotionally challenged.

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                      • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                        The loss of moral authority from the US wrt oppressive regimes the world over is the cost of Trump and Barrs reckless actions. How can we criticize Chima or Russia or Turkey when we are willing to gas, shoot at and bully our own protestors for a photo op?

                        it has not gone unnoticed. China has basically seen this as justification to raise their head high about tianenmen square. Openly mocking the US former status as a 'beacon of light' for democracy.

                        And the regulars and owners of this website get to stand back and revel in the knowledge they wholeheartedly support this further degradation of US moral authority, and of standing behind and voicing their support for the continuous slide towards authoritarian models and means by this administration.
                        Only a complete idiot would think that what happened at Lafayette Park is in any way comparable to the slaughtering in cold blood of thousands (BBC now reports that it was 10,000) of actual peaceful protesters (not looters or folks throwing bricks and the like at police)

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization thatís not the argument." --Tassman

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                        • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          Only a complete idiot would think that what happened at Lafayette Park is in any way comparable to the slaughtering in cold blood of thousands (BBC now reports that it was 10,000) of actual peaceful protesters (not looters or folks throwing bricks and the like at police)
                          Unfortunately, it differs in scope, but not in principle. And while I agree that they are not comparable in terms of consequence, in terms of motivation and adherence to principle, it's a real blow to our image in the world.

                          But I'll not be surprised if you and others don't get it. You've already compromised your basic principles so much in order to continue your defense and support for Trump you may well have lost your capacity to understand why what Trump did could have such an effect.
                          Mockery is the argument of the mentally and/or emotionally challenged.

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                          • Originally posted by DivineBoob View Post
                            Isn't it strange that you suddenly want to change the subject.
                            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                            Than a fool in the eyes of God


                            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                            • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                              Openly mocking the US former status as a 'beacon of light' for democracy.
                              Things were far worse in decades past, and we were still a "beacon of light". Well, the world "piggy bank" at least.

                              kent state.jpg
                              Shooting real bullets at kids at Kent State. And they were wearing gas masks.

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                              • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                                Unfortunately, it differs in scope, but not in principle. And while I agree that they are not comparable in terms of consequence, in terms of motivation and adherence to principle, it's a real blow to our image in the world.
                                There are at least 10,000 reasons why you are wrong here.

                                I'm always still in trouble again

                                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization thatís not the argument." --Tassman

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