On effective leadership

[simplicio]

What qualities in a leader is needed in a crisis? Some think leadership is something one is born with. The military trains leaders continually, small unit leadersrise through the ranks and become leaders of larger units, and there is continual training and education to equip them.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...avirus/610237/

The contrast between Donald Trump and Jacinda Arden is....stark.

Any thoughts?

[Starlight]

I'm not a fan of hagiographic articles in general, and I do have some criticisms of Jacinda and how she has handled this. But, when I look at how the rest of the world has (not) handled it... wow. Glad to live here and glad she and her team are running things. I'm not sure if I'd agree with the article that she's literally the best leader in the world... but that said, I certainly can't name any current world leader who I would regard as even half as good as her (though I'm only familiar with the major countries' leaders).

We're on track to eliminate the virus in a couple of weeks - new cases have been single digits for 3 of the last 4 days and mass random community testing has been returning no positives. Australia seems close to doing the same, though their national leadership there has been less effective (their bumbling federal government has been ignored by the individual states there who have themselves acted to contain and eliminate the virus). So once both countries are Covid free we'll probably open up our borders to each other again.

As far as Jacinda's leadership training goes, her main leadership role prior to becoming party leader a few weeks before winning the election, was as president of the International Union of Socialist Youth.

Your mention of leadership training reminds me of a question my mum asked me recently when I talked to her about the US presidential nominees of Trump and Biden... "The US has plenty of decent universities, so how come, out of all the graduates they churn out, can't they seem to find amongst their entire country even a half-competent nominee for President?"

88 percent of New Zealanders trusted the government to make the right decisions about addressing COVID-19, and 84 percent approved of the government’s response to the pandemic

I suspect Trump would sacrifice his firstborn to get that level of support in polls.

[simplicio]

I'm not a fan of hagiographic articles in general, and I do have some criticisms of Jacinda and how she has handled this. But, when I look at how the rest of the world has (not) handled it... wow. Glad to live here and glad she and her team are running things. I'm not sure if I'd agree with the article that she's literally the best leader in the world... but that said, I certainly can't name any current world leader who I would regard as even half as good as her (though I'm only familiar with the major countries' leaders).

We're on track to eliminate the virus in a couple of weeks - new cases have been single digits for 3 of the last 4 days and mass random community testing has been returning no positives. Australia seems close to doing the same, though their national leadership there has been less effective (their bumbling federal government has been ignored by the individual states there who have themselves acted to contain and eliminate the virus). So once both countries are Covid free we'll probably open up our borders to each other again.

As far as Jacinda's leadership training goes, her main leadership role prior to becoming party leader a few weeks before winning the election, was as president of the International Union of Socialist Youth.

Your mention of leadership training reminds me of a question my mum asked me recently when I talked to her about the US presidential nominees of Trump and Biden... "The US has plenty of decent universities, so how come, out of all the graduates they churn out, can't they seem to find amongst their entire country even a half-competent nominee for President?"

88 percent of New Zealanders trusted the government to make the right decisions about addressing COVID-19, and 84 percent approved of the government’s response to the pandemic

I suspect Trump would sacrifice his firstborn to get that level of support in polls.

Arden inherited the organization, the infrastructure of government. And allowed it to effectively pursue its mandate to serve citizens of NZ.

The distrust of government carries a price, a price we are paying for.

[simplicio]

Trump apparently invoked (or at least appealed to) the Defense Production Act to force Puritan Medical to produce more swabs to allow for more testing.

1.) Is it realistic to assume Puritan is not trying to provide all it can do to maximize production?

Conservatives generally disapprove of centralized planning. Except when Trump does it! Puritan makes a variety of products, and from what I have read they are trying to maximize production.

2.) Does the White House have better insight into the needs of the health care system now than Puritan Medical?

3.) Is Trump's comments on the swabs examples of effective leadership or a dog and pony show?

[Bill the Cat]

What qualities in a leader is needed in a crisis? Some think leadership is something one is born with. The military trains leaders continually, small unit leadersrise through the ranks and become leaders of larger units, and there is continual training and education to equip them.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...avirus/610237/

The contrast between Donald Trump and Jacinda Arden is....stark.

Any thoughts?

Jacinda Arden????

[shunyadragon]

Jacinda Arden????

She has shown effective positive leadership.

Donald Trump????

[simplicio]

Jacinda Arden????

Yes Arden. How would you describe the effectiveness of NZ's response to the epidemic?

The buck has to stop somewhere.

[Starlight]

She has shown effective positive leadership.

Donald Trump????

I suspect Bill is very bitter about people laughing at Trump. So he has to try and pretend to laugh at others to make himself feel better about Trump.

[Cow Poke]

What qualities in a leader is needed in a crisis?

'are needed'

[simplicio]

'are needed'

Thank you for your thoughtful contribution to the thread.

[Cow Poke]

Thank you for your thoughtful contribution to the thread.

You bet.

[carpedm9587]

I'm not a fan of hagiographic articles in general, and I do have some criticisms of Jacinda and how she has handled this. But, when I look at how the rest of the world has (not) handled it... wow. Glad to live here and glad she and her team are running things. I'm not sure if I'd agree with the article that she's literally the best leader in the world... but that said, I certainly can't name any current world leader who I would regard as even half as good as her (though I'm only familiar with the major countries' leaders).

We're on track to eliminate the virus in a couple of weeks - new cases have been single digits for 3 of the last 4 days and mass random community testing has been returning no positives. Australia seems close to doing the same, though their national leadership there has been less effective (their bumbling federal government has been ignored by the individual states there who have themselves acted to contain and eliminate the virus). So once both countries are Covid free we'll probably open up our borders to each other again.

As far as Jacinda's leadership training goes, her main leadership role prior to becoming party leader a few weeks before winning the election, was as president of the International Union of Socialist Youth.

Your mention of leadership training reminds me of a question my mum asked me recently when I talked to her about the US presidential nominees of Trump and Biden... "The US has plenty of decent universities, so how come, out of all the graduates they churn out, can't they seem to find amongst their entire country even a half-competent nominee for President?"

88 percent of New Zealanders trusted the government to make the right decisions about addressing COVID-19, and 84 percent approved of the government’s response to the pandemic

I suspect Trump would sacrifice his firstborn to get that level of support in polls.

Have you seen his firstborn? I think the gods would probably send him back...

[carpedm9587]

'are needed'

You beet me too it...

[carpedm9587]

Speaking of effective leadership, I have been generally impressed with Cuomo throughout this, though I don't find this a good look. Getting petty with downstream leaders is the kind of thing Trump does and Cuomo should know better.

But the governor that really impresses me is Newsom. He seems to have struck the right combination of competence, handling the federal adroitly, and giving credit where credit is due. I suspect we'll see this boy in the line-up for 2024. I predict Cuomo will also be in that lineup.

[Cow Poke]

Speaking of effective leadership, I have been generally impressed with Cuomo throughout this, though I don't find this a good look. Getting petty with downstream leaders is the kind of thing Trump does and Cuomo should know better.

But the governor that really impresses me is Newsom. He seems to have struck the right combination of competence, handling the federal adroitly, and giving credit where credit is due. I suspect we'll see this boy in the line-up for 2024. I predict Cuomo will also be in that lineup.

I really think Cuomo has seen this crisis as an opportunity to position himself for POTUS -- either down the road, or "draft him now because Joe is gonna be a disaster".