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  • #46
    Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
    The Pharma-sponsored media absolutely does not want a simple pre-existing medicine
    It's not 'simple'... it's a dangerous medication with serious side effects, sometimes lethal ones, extremely easy to lethally overdose on, and not appropriate for anyone with many of the same types of pre-existing conditions that make people at high-risk for COVID.

    The scientific findings so far on its usefulness in treating COVID are mixed. At best you could say it's probably mildly beneficial for people who's COVID infections have developed to the point of being possibly lethal, to be given it by doctors in a controlled setting in controlled amounts, so long as those patients don't have any of the underlying conditions that this medication reacts dangerously with.

    It is clear from the research on it, that it is not a magic pill that cures COVID for anyone and everyone.

    I say this as someone who is a scientist, and someone who is very anti big-pharma and who thinks all pharmaceutical companies should be nationalised and purely government funded and their medicines made available free of charge to all once discovered. (Fun fact: The amount of $$ private pharmaceutical companies actually spend on R&D of new drugs, as opposed to marketing, executive salaries, shareholder profit etc, is way below 1% of Western Government's budgets, those governments could easily fund all global pharma research if they felt like it - instead of subsidizing private pharma companies to do that research and then paying them huge $$$ to buy the end product drugs off them which all goes to the private shareholders in profit and rich CEOs.) But there's no 'big pharma' conspiracy in this instance - this drug is known to doctors around the world and plenty have tried it on COVID patients, and it hasn't shown itself to be any kind of miracle cure.
    Last edited by Starlight; 03-26-2020, 05:08 PM.
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    • #47
      Here's an article on Didier Raoult and chloroquine
      https://www.connexionfrance.com/Fren...-trial-results

      French researcher posts successful Covid-19 drug trial

      A renowned research professor in France has reported successful results from a new treatment for Covid-19, with early tests suggesting it can stop the virus from being contagious in just six days.

      Professor Didier Raoult from infection hospital l'Institut Hospitalo-Universitaire (IHU) Méditerranée Infection in Marseille (Bouches-du-Rhône, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur), published a video explaining the trials on Monday March 16.

      Professor Raoult is an infectious diseases specialist and head of the IHU Méditerranée Infection, who has been tasked by - and consulted by - the French government to research possible treatments of Covid-19.

      He said that the first Covid-19 patients he had treated with the drug chloroquine had seen a rapid and effective speeding up of their healing process, and a sharp decrease in the amount of time they remained contagious.

      Chloroquine - which is normally used mainly to prevent and treat malaria - was administered via the named drug, Plaquenil.

      The treatment was offered to 24 patients, who were among the first to become infected in the south east of France, and who had voluntarily admitted themselves to hospital for the process.

      Patients were given 600mcg per day for 10 days. They were closely monitored, as the drug can interact with other medication, and cause severe side effects in some cases.

      Professor Raoult said: “We included everyone who was in agreement [to be treated], which was almost everyone. Two towns in the protocol, Nice and Avignon, gave us [infected] patients who had not yet received treatment.

      “We were able to ascertain that patients who had not received Plaquenil (the drug containing hydroxychloroquine) were still contagious after six days, but of those that had received Plaquenil, after six days, only 25% were still contagious.”

      Chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine have previously been used to treat coronavirus patients in China, in ongoing Covid-19 clinical trials.
      . . .

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      • #48
        The lesser problem with the French study was that the control and treatment group weren't randomized - they were at different geographical locations.

        The greater problem with the French study is that 3 or 4 patients in the treatment group got seriously worse and had to be transferred to the ICU (one died!), and were, bizarrely, omitted from their published statistics about their treatment group as a result! When people die on your miracle cure, it isn't a miracle cure, and not reporting it properly is negligent.
        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          The lesser problem with the French study was that the control and treatment group weren't randomized - they were at different geographical locations.

          The greater problem with the French study is that 3 or 4 patients in the treatment group got seriously worse and had to be transferred to the ICU (one died!), and were, bizarrely, omitted from their published statistics about their treatment group as a result! When people die on your miracle cure, it isn't a miracle cure, and not reporting it properly is negligent.
          This is a real time case study on how people react to, are influenced by, and learn from science news. The examples of evolution, and global warming are different, they have been around a while, many grew up with the controversies (geocentrism is rather new). But in all the examples, political ideologies play a role.

          One the one hand, this novel virus is the "Chinavirus" linked to wet markets with a specific origin in time. Yet people are speculating that they have had this virus before Wuhan! (another thread here). Naive science views are extremely difficult to overcome.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
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            Yeah. Don't let him say anything to launch a medical ship, quarantine Government travel, shutting down government facilities and forcing telework, you know… those terrible decisions...
            That's what
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            • #51
              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              The lesser problem with the French study was that the control and treatment group weren't randomized - they were at different geographical locations.

              The greater problem with the French study is that 3 or 4 patients in the treatment group got seriously worse and had to be transferred to the ICU (one died!), and were, bizarrely, omitted from their published statistics about their treatment group as a result! When people die on your miracle cure, it isn't a miracle cure, and not reporting it properly is negligent.
              People often die when they are seriously ill. This happens even when there is no Wuhan virus.

              Did you have a link to the information you are talking about? If people have tested positive and volunteered to take the medicine, they still could have underlying conditions that suggest not trying this medicine. The basic warnings I hear from people here about the medicine suggests that we only use it for someone that is likely to have adverse affects from the virus.
              Last edited by mikewhitney; 03-31-2020, 02:15 PM.

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              • #52
                So more information regarding the woman who poisoned herself and her husband with Aquarium cleaner/pesticide. She and the MSM have been spinning it as someone who was just listening to Trump so it is Trump's fault.

                Well not so fast. It appears she hates Trump, is a big DNC supporter, and heard about the HCQ from "news sources"

                ---


                Woman who said she drank fish-tank cleaner because of president's advice is not a Trump supporter

                The Arizona woman who said she and her husband drank fish-tank cleaner to ward off coronavirus has donated heavily to Democrats and acknowledges she's not a President Trump supporter -- despite news reports that she ingested the dangerous drug because she trusted what she thought was the president's advice.
                ...
                "I saw it sitting on the back shelf and thought, 'Hey, isn't that the stuff they're talking about on TV?'" Wanda told NBC News, referring to the chloroquine phosphate in her fish-tank cleaner.
                ...
                Wanda drew national attention by claiming that Trump had suggested she consume the fish-tank cleaner with her husband, and that she did so to avoid "getting sick."

                "My advice is don’t believe anything that the president says and his people because they don’t know what they’re talking about," Wanda told NBC News' Vaughn Hillyard.
                ...
                The Washington Free Beacon quickly unearthed evidence that NBC News did not, including Wanda's numerous donations to Democrats as recently as February. In that month, Wanda donated to the PAC 314 Action Fund, which has called itself the "pro-science resistance" to the White House.

                Federal Election Commission records reviewed by the outlet revealed numerous other recipients of Wanda's cash, including Hillary Clinton, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) and the pro-choice EMILY's List.
                ...
                Additionally, Fox News has reviewed a Facebook page apparently belonging to Wanda, which was first identified by the Twitter user Techno Fog.

                "Your psycho prez is in [t]own, are you going to see him?" Wanda wrote on Facebook on Feb. 19, by way of wishing a friend a happy birthday. Trump was in town at a rally in Phoenix, Ariz., on that day.
                ...
                https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ari...trump-democrat



                Wanda told the Free Beacon that she and her husband were both Democrats, not Trump supporters. They heard about the potential benefits of chloroquine, an antimalarial drug, in news reports.
                https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/w...cratic-causes/

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                  So more information regarding the woman who poisoned herself and her husband with Aquarium cleaner/pesticide. She and the MSM have been spinning it as someone who was just listening to Trump so it is Trump's fault.

                  Well not so fast. It appears she hates Trump, is a big DNC supporter, and heard about the HCQ from "news sources"

                  ---


                  Woman who said she drank fish-tank cleaner because of president's advice is not a Trump supporter

                  The Arizona woman who said she and her husband drank fish-tank cleaner to ward off coronavirus has donated heavily to Democrats and acknowledges she's not a President Trump supporter -- despite news reports that she ingested the dangerous drug because she trusted what she thought was the president's advice.
                  ...
                  "I saw it sitting on the back shelf and thought, 'Hey, isn't that the stuff they're talking about on TV?'" Wanda told NBC News, referring to the chloroquine phosphate in her fish-tank cleaner.
                  ...
                  Wanda drew national attention by claiming that Trump had suggested she consume the fish-tank cleaner with her husband, and that she did so to avoid "getting sick."

                  "My advice is don’t believe anything that the president says and his people because they don’t know what they’re talking about," Wanda told NBC News' Vaughn Hillyard.
                  ...
                  The Washington Free Beacon quickly unearthed evidence that NBC News did not, including Wanda's numerous donations to Democrats as recently as February. In that month, Wanda donated to the PAC 314 Action Fund, which has called itself the "pro-science resistance" to the White House.

                  Federal Election Commission records reviewed by the outlet revealed numerous other recipients of Wanda's cash, including Hillary Clinton, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) and the pro-choice EMILY's List.
                  ...
                  Additionally, Fox News has reviewed a Facebook page apparently belonging to Wanda, which was first identified by the Twitter user Techno Fog.

                  "Your psycho prez is in [t]own, are you going to see him?" Wanda wrote on Facebook on Feb. 19, by way of wishing a friend a happy birthday. Trump was in town at a rally in Phoenix, Ariz., on that day.
                  ...
                  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ari...trump-democrat



                  Wanda told the Free Beacon that she and her husband were both Democrats, not Trump supporters. They heard about the potential benefits of chloroquine, an antimalarial drug, in news reports.
                  https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/w...cratic-causes/
                  Doesn't sound too far off from The Babylon Bee.

                  Source: The Babylon Bee

                  NEW YORK, NY—When Jeffrey Walton tested positive for COVID-19, he hoped for a speedy recovery. But since he has been treated with hydroxychloroquine, the experimental treatment President Donald Trump has been touting, he now hopes he dies quickly to help prove that Trump is an idiot.

                  © Copyright Original Source

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
                    Doesn't sound too far off from The Babylon Bee.

                    Source: The Babylon Bee

                    NEW YORK, NY—When Jeffrey Walton tested positive for COVID-19, he hoped for a speedy recovery. But since he has been treated with hydroxychloroquine, the experimental treatment President Donald Trump has been touting, he now hopes he dies quickly to help prove that Trump is an idiot.

                    © Copyright Original Source

                    When life imitates satire........

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by simplicio View Post
                      When life imitates satire........
                      Louder with Crouder (conservative shock jock) has unearthed some history on the woman of a domestic violence criminal case and she was trying to divorce her husband in 2012. He is suggesting this might be a case of murder disguised as a bonehead move. Not sure I buy into that conspiracy theory but it is a possibility.

                      https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/ch...media-ignored/

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                        So more information regarding the woman who poisoned herself and her husband with Aquarium cleaner/pesticide. She and the MSM have been spinning it as someone who was just listening to Trump so it is Trump's fault.

                        Well not so fast. It appears she hates Trump, is a big DNC supporter, and heard about the HCQ from "news sources"

                        ---


                        Woman who said she drank fish-tank cleaner because of president's advice is not a Trump supporter

                        The Arizona woman who said she and her husband drank fish-tank cleaner to ward off coronavirus has donated heavily to Democrats and acknowledges she's not a President Trump supporter -- despite news reports that she ingested the dangerous drug because she trusted what she thought was the president's advice.
                        ...
                        "I saw it sitting on the back shelf and thought, 'Hey, isn't that the stuff they're talking about on TV?'" Wanda told NBC News, referring to the chloroquine phosphate in her fish-tank cleaner.
                        ...
                        Wanda drew national attention by claiming that Trump had suggested she consume the fish-tank cleaner with her husband, and that she did so to avoid "getting sick."

                        "My advice is don’t believe anything that the president says and his people because they don’t know what they’re talking about," Wanda told NBC News' Vaughn Hillyard.
                        ...
                        The Washington Free Beacon quickly unearthed evidence that NBC News did not, including Wanda's numerous donations to Democrats as recently as February. In that month, Wanda donated to the PAC 314 Action Fund, which has called itself the "pro-science resistance" to the White House.

                        Federal Election Commission records reviewed by the outlet revealed numerous other recipients of Wanda's cash, including Hillary Clinton, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) and the pro-choice EMILY's List.
                        ...
                        Additionally, Fox News has reviewed a Facebook page apparently belonging to Wanda, which was first identified by the Twitter user Techno Fog.

                        "Your psycho prez is in [t]own, are you going to see him?" Wanda wrote on Facebook on Feb. 19, by way of wishing a friend a happy birthday. Trump was in town at a rally in Phoenix, Ariz., on that day.
                        ...
                        https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ari...trump-democrat



                        Wanda told the Free Beacon that she and her husband were both Democrats, not Trump supporters. They heard about the potential benefits of chloroquine, an antimalarial drug, in news reports.
                        https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/w...cratic-causes/
                        Not only that, but it's looking like her intent was to murder her husband all along and use this dumb excuse as a cover.

                        Woman Who Blamed Trump after Giving Her Husband Fish-Tank Cleaner Now Under Investigation for Murder

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