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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYeah, it's quite rare for Republicans to be so united - that's usually a Democrat thing.
Now look at the Democratic party. While a lot of the party is progressive/liberal, moderate Democrats are common and there are even conservative Democrats. The party has broad representation across many races and is responsible for most of female representation in Congress.
You will find pro-gun and pro-gun-control Democrats. You will pretty much only find pro-gun Republicans.
You will find pro-choice and pro-life Democrats. You will pretty much only find pro-life Republicans.
The list could go on. There is significant discord within the Democratic party, which is to be expected in a party with such a wide range of views in its membership. Sure, there are voices calling for X or Y to be isolated or claiming they are not a Democrat because they don't believe A, but I know of no equivalent to "RINO" among the Democrats. The phenomenon of uniting against those who disagree is so common in the Republican party that they came up with a name for the people who disagree with the party line.
I am an Independent because I think the two-party system is fatally flawed. I am in favor of ranked-choice voting because I think it is the only way someone who is NOT a member of either main party will ever be elected. But your characterization of the Democratic party flat out ignores a lot of reality.
ETA: The really concerning thing, for the Republican party, should be the education situation. The data shows that the party that used to be the bastion of the college-educated is increasingly the bastion of the under-educated, as people with college degrees move aggressively towards the Democratic party while those with a H.S. (or less) education migrate to the Republican party. For ANY party, such a dynamic should be concerning. However, instead of doing anything to address the problem, Republicans simply label Democrats the "intellectually elite" and do everything they can to undermine support for moving towards a college education and even denigrate the entire idea of a college education having value. I've said it before - and I'll probably say it again, the Republican Party has lost its soul.Last edited by carpedm9587; 05-08-2020, 10:37 AM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThere's actually a lot to that. We get sick of a lot of the nonsense in the Republican party, but see the Democrats as worse.
Nationally, because of policy, I will vote Republican, but locally, there are a number of times I'll vote for the Democrat - like Sheriff or a judge or.... It's like the local Democrats haven't quite sold their souls to the devil like the national Democrats have.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI am amazed you can make this comment, CP. Look at the two parties.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
You will find pro-gun and pro-gun-control Democrats. You will pretty much only find pro-gun Republicans.
You will find pro-choice and pro-life Democrats. You will pretty much only find pro-life Republicans.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI've voted for a Democrat for every position including Senator, Representative, Governor, Lt. Governor, Secretary of State and numerous lower offices -- and plan on doing so again this year. I have yet to vote for one for President but then until the last presidential election my state wasn't in play for decades so I tend to vote third party.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostPretty much saying the same thing except in your usual biased way.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostHold on a just a flamin' red hot Cheeto minute --- what's wrong with the comment? Is it not true?
It is untrue that "that's usually a Democrat thing."
*parenthetical added by meThe ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostIt is true that Republicans have become united (*around the cult of Trump).
It is untrue that "that's usually a Democrat thing."
*parenthetical added by me
Edit --- Ah, I see what you did... you dishonestly assigned meaning to my comment that was never there.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostIt is true that Republicans have become united (*around the cult of Trump).
It is untrue that "that's usually a Democrat thing."
*parenthetical added by meThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostSo, ya still "amazed"? My original comment stands.
Edit --- Ah, I see what you did... you dishonestly assigned meaning to my comment that was never there.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThere was nothing dishonest here, CP. I added what I thought was uniting them (and made it clear that the paranthetical was my addition).
My response was to the incorrect part of your original post - the comment about the Democrats.
My comment stands.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI think the Republicans have united against the liberal loony left - Trump just happens to embody that and stands up to the loonies and their lackies (is that not a word?) in the press.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou're seriously deluded if you think that pro-life politicians are welcomed in the Democratic party, and GOD FORBID that a traditional marriage advocate should ever try to run as a Democrat
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYeah, that's what perverted the intent of the comment.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYeah, "dishonest" was too harsh -- you did, however, assign meaning not intended, and used that as your argument.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThey had been FAR more united in the past than the Republicans. They were infamous for closing ranks and voting as a block, when Republicans would be all over the place.
My comment stands.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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