Coronavirus Outbreak...

[mikewhitney]

Over 70% of coronavirus patients wore mask, followed guidelines - CDC study
https://www.jpost.com/health-science/coronavirus-patients-can-contract-virus-despite-wearing-face-masks-cdc-645685

Face masks and coverings are not 100% effective at preventing the spread of thecoronavirus, according to aSeptember study from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

The study, conducted in July, found that over 70% of the 154 "case-patients," who had tested positive for COVID-19, were infected despite making efforts to abide by CDC guidelines, including the wearing of face masks.

It is possible that some of the infections may have been caused by removing face coverings for food or drink. Another possibility is airflow, as “direction, ventilation and intensity of airflow might affect virus transmission, even if social distancing measures and mask use are implemented according to current guidance,” according to the CDC report.

This is reflective of an incident at Tel Aviv's Sourasky Medical Center, where a doctor and two nurses may have been infected with the coronavirus

by the aerosol coming from a ventilator being used on a patient.

However, the CDC report further explained that it is impossible to evaluate exactly where someone contracted the virus.

This analysis is totally backwards. What were they thinking in this analysis and report? Do they know what they are saying here? The obvious problem is that they are neglecting that masks are not to protect you from the virus. but they are writing this up as if this were the case. Masks are said to keep you from spreading the virus -- assuming you have an infectious amount to share with anyone.

A reasonable study would have been whether other people around you were always wearing masks. So they should ask whether these people were in super close contact with people not wearing masks out in public. How come the CDC couldn't figure this out properly for their study?

[shunyadragon]

I knew it. You are scared.

Fear needs a better explanation. Your cavalier cold indifference and lack of fear?

Actually I do feel vulnerable, because I am 74, and remain cautiously isolated, going out only for work and planned shopping.

You, reject the pandemic and take the cavalier dangerous rejection of pandemic like Trump and encourage the spread of the disease. Conservative eugenics thinning the heard before we can get vaccines and other technologies to deal with COVID-19.

[mikewhitney]

Fear needs a better explanation. Your cavalier cold indifference and lack of fear?

Actually I do feel vulnerable, because I am 74, and remain cautiously isolated, going out only for work and planned shopping.

You, reject the pandemic and take the cavalier dangerous rejection of pandemic like Trump and encourage the spread of the disease. Conservative eugenics thinning the heard before we can get vaccines and other technologies to deal with COVID-19.

If you feel vulnerable, that is decent reason to be cautious, especially if you have multiple other problems already. I think you said you were actively doing steps to improve your immune system. (I am too. But this is only for general health goals, not fear of the present virus fiasco.) I'm sorry for your imaginary eugenics view of conservatives too -- this is unfounded for the common freedom-loving person but is appropriate for many world politicians. So, be on the alert for policies these politicians promote. It is an evil world at the moment.

[Stoic]

This analysis is totally backwards. What were they thinking in this analysis and report? Do they know what they are saying here? The obvious problem is that they are neglecting that masks are not to protect you from the virus. but they are writing this up as if this were the case. Masks are said to keep you from spreading the virus -- assuming you have an infectious amount to share with anyone.

You are a little behind the times.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cdc-say...t-just-others/

[mikewhitney]

You are a little behind the times.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cdc-say...t-just-others/

Oh right. Their expertise has been so inspiring. Keep the fear factor up.

We are right back to the Bill's article showing that people did what the CDC recommended. The main thing we need in general is to boost our immune systems.

[shunyadragon]

If you feel vulnerable, that is decent reason to be cautious, especially if you have multiple other problems already. I think you said you were actively doing steps to improve your immune system. (I am too. But this is only for general health goals, not fear of the present virus fiasco.) I'm sorry for your imaginary eugenics view of conservatives too -- this is unfounded for the common freedom-loving person but is appropriate for many world politicians. So, be on the alert for policies these politicians promote. It is an evil world at the moment.

Your cold indifferent incompetent attitude is reinforced by your phrase, 'virus fiasco.

Conservative eugenics is an accurate description of conservatives, including Trump BIG TIME ignoring science and spreading COVID-19 and increasing the case and fatality rate until we get the vaccines and technology. There is no excuse for the excess deaths and crippling cases particularly the vulnerable.

[mikewhitney]

Your cold indifferent incompetent attitude is reinforced by your phrase, 'virus fiasco.

Conservative eugenics is an accurate description of conservatives, including Trump BIG TIME ignoring science and spreading COVID-19 and increasing the case and fatality rate until we get the vaccines and technology. There is no excuse for the excess deaths and crippling cases particularly the vulnerable.

You sound worse every additional post here. It sounds like you find eugenics hiding behind every bush. However, you are seeing it happen and supporting it with the killing of everyone's livelihood. You blame the unseen but miss what is right under your nose.

[mikewhitney]

CalifCurvesNov20.png

You are a little behind the times.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cdc-say...t-just-others/

I like this study referred to.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33031366/

ArizonaMaskWearing.png

The first useless aspect is that the study is based on number of "cases"
Of course the standard problems with this basis are:
1. That they mean people with positive tests, commonly based on the PCR test, rather than hospitalizations or illness
2. The problem of using PCR tests with more than 35 cycles ... or using this beyond 5 days after someone is exposed
3. There are many examples of places where face masks are used without showing benefits. They show masks used for months before new positive-but-useless "cases" increase.


The Orange County curve is shows positive tests increasing but they do not tell us the number of cycles being used. Notice the pink on the bottom. That is the number of deaths ascribed to coronavirus. It does not change with number of cases.
(Blue is total coronavirus-related hospitalizations (about 700 at highest point in about August). Purple is the ICU patients. Pink is the deaths.)

CalifCurvesNov20.png
People are wearing masks and the meaningless "case" numbers go up. Go figure. So Newsom, the idiot evil governor he is, says that we need to do more of the same. Just don't interfere with his maskless parties.

[Mountain Man]

People are wearing masks and the meaningless "case" numbers go up. Go figure.

That's what's happening in my state. Mask use is widespread to the point that you almost never see someone in an indoor public space without a mask (and quite a number of people wearing them outdoors), and I have observed on numerous occasions people actively backpedaling away from one another in order to maintain the magical 6-foot span, and yet the number of China flu cases has supposedly gone up dramatically in the last few weeks to the point that the governor is considering another round of soul and economic crushing stay-at-home orders. How could this be when we're lectured about following the "science" which tells us that masks can stop the China flu?

[mikewhitney]

That's what's happening in my state. Mask use is widespread to the point that you almost never see someone in an indoor public space without a mask (and quite a number of people wearing them outdoors), and I have observed on numerous occasions people actively backpedaling away from one another in order to maintain the magical 6-foot span, and yet the number of China flu cases has supposedly gone up dramatically in the last few weeks to the point that the governor is considering another round of soul and economic crushing stay-at-home orders. How could this be when we're lectured about following the "science" which tells us that masks can stop the China flu?

I probably missed noting this before. This policy follows the abusive-husband pattern. The husband always blames (and beats) his wife for her bad conduct when she has done everything he asked for. No matter what we do, the governor says it was not done well enough.

[Stoic]

I probably missed noting this before. This policy follows the abusive-husband pattern. The husband always blames (and beats) his wife for her bad conduct when she has done everything he asked for. No matter what we do, the governor says it was not done well enough.

If the number of deaths per day is going up, we obviously haven't done enough.

[CivilDiscourse]

Human tragedy compounded by the devotion to misinformation and lack of leadership from above.

Source: https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/526204-south-dakota-nurse-says-many-dying-patients-still-insist-covid-19-not

South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist COVID-19 'not real'

BY ALICIA COHN

Source: https://www.wired.com/story/are-covid-patients-gasping-it-isnt-real-as-they-die/

A South Dakota emergency room nurse on Monday expressed frustration that many of her patients don't believe they are dying of COVID-19.

Jodi Doering's tweet went viral on social media over the weekend after she tweeted about patients who "don’t believe the virus is real ... while gasping for breath on 100% Vapotherm."

"It wasn't one particular patient, it's just a culmination of so many people," Doering told CNN's "New Day." "And their last, dying words are, ‘This can’t be happening. It’s not real.’ "

South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist COVID-19 'not real'

A South Dakota emergency room nurse on Monday expressed frustration that many of her patients don't believe they are dying of COVID-19.

Jodi Doering's tweet went viral on social media over the weekend after she tweeted about patients who "don’t believe the virus is real ... while gasping for breath on 100% Vapotherm."

"It wasn't one particular patient, it's just a culmination of so many people," Doering told CNN's "New Day." "And their last, dying words are, ‘This can’t be happening. It’s not real.’ "

South Dakota reported 821 new cases of COVID-19 on Monday, with 62,521 current confirmed cases statewide. The state health department reports 20 percent of hospital beds are currently occupied with COVID-19 patients.

"People want it to be influenza, they want it to be pneumonia," Doering said. "We've even had people say, 'You know, I think it might be lung cancer.' ... Even after positive results come back, some people just don't believe it."

Doering said multiple patients target nurses like her with their "anger and hatred."

"They call you names and ask why you have to wear all that 'stuff' because they don’t have COVID because it’s not real," she tweeted on Saturday.

"I think it's just a belief that it's not real and nursing happens to be on the receiving end of that," she told CNN.

"It just makes you sad and mad and frustrated and then you know that you're just going to come back and do it all over again," she added.

Doering also noted on Twitter that some patients argue with her that President-elect Joe Biden "is going to ruin the USA."
Biden has indicated that as president he will ask governors and mayors to institute mask mandates, in keeping with CDC recommendations for preventing the spread of the coronavirus.

South Dakota's Republican Gov. Kristi Noem did not issue a statewide lockdown order earlier this year, unlike most other states, and continues to criticize statewide mask mandates.

"It's a good day for freedom. Joe Biden realizes that the president doesn't have the authority to institute a mask mandate," Ian Fury, communications specialist for Noem, told South Dakota's The Argus Leader on Friday. "For that matter, neither does Governor Noem, which is why she has provided her citizens with the full scope of the science and trusted them to make the best decisions for themselves and their loved-ones."

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Source: https://www.wired.com/story/are-covid-patients-gasping-it-isnt-real-as-they-die/

A DESPERATE, OUTRAGED Twitter thread from a South Dakota emergency room nurse went viral last weekend, landing its author a live interview on CNN. “When I read some of your tweets, my jaw dropped,” the host told Jodi Doering, referring to her account of gravely ill patients who “scream at you for a magic medicine and that Joe Biden is going to ruin the USA. All while gasping for breath.”

“The reason I tweeted what I did is that it wasn’t one particular patient,” the nurse said. “It’s just a culmination of so many people, and their last, dying words are, ‘This can’t be happening, it’s not real.’ And when they should be spending time FaceTime-ing their families, they’re filled with anger and hatred, and it just made me really sad.”

These were astonishing statements, and, not surprisingly, they captured the attention of millions. Multiple US senators and Pulitzer-prize-winning journalists were among the throngs who tweeted out the CNN interview, which was also written up by The Washington Post and other mainstream outlets. “This is the cost of disinformation,” wrote Atul Gawande, a New Yorker contributor and member of Joe Biden’s coronavirus task force. Senator Elizabeth Warren called it “heartbreaking.”

There’s no doubt that we owe a deep debt of gratitude to Jodi Doering and all the frontline medical personnel dealing with the current surge in Covid cases. The work they do is truly heroic. Still, the manner in which Doering’s account of her experience has been reported and circulated should give people pause.

Doering’s statement that she’s watched “so many” people die from the disease even as they deny its very existence, endlessly repeated on social media and presented by news outlets without corroboration, would seem to represent a broader phenomenon.

But other nurses who work in similar settings say they’ve seen nothing of the kind.

I called a number of hospitals in the same part of South Dakota to ask emergency room nurses if they’d noticed the same, disturbing phenomenon. At Avera Weskota Memorial Hospital, about 20 minutes from Doering’s hometown of Woonsocket, an ER nurse told me, “I have not had that experience here.” At my request, Kim Rieger, the VP for communications and marketing at Huron Regional Medical Center, one of the four medical facilities where Doering works, spoke with several nurses at Huron to get their reactions to the CNN interview. None said they’d interacted with Covid patients who denied having the disease. “Most patients are grateful, and thankful for our help,” one told her. “I have not experienced this, nor have I been told of this experience, ever,” another said.

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Perhaps it’s worth considering that Huron Regional Medical Center has seen a total of six Covid-19 deaths to date. Beadle County, where Huron is located, has registered a total of 22 such deaths, 13 of which occurred since August 1. And in Sanborn County, where Doering lives, there’s been one Covid-19 death. It’s certainly possible that the other facilities where Doering works have seen a higher number of fatalities; she may indeed have watched a great many patients die, as so many frontline workers have. But when all we have is one person’s story, it’s hard to know exactly what it means.

In fact, this episode has some similarities to other weakly sourced accounts of Covid denialism in states that vote Republican. In July we heard reports of rampant “Covid parties.” One version of this story had college students in Tuscaloosa hosting parties with infected guests, and then betting on who else would catch the virus. Another took the form of a second-hand account from a nurse in San Antonio. A 30-year-old patient was said to have admitted just before he died that he’d gotten sick by going to a Covid party. “I thought it was a hoax,” he allegedly told the nurse, “but it’s not.”
As WIRED’s Gilad Edelman reported at the time, none of these accounts held up to further scrutiny—yet each had been picked up from its original source and then amplified by larger publications that added little or no additional reporting. There’s good reason for these stories to be passed along, Edelman wrote. The hospital administrator who first went public with the story of the last-breath Covid-party confession is “trying desperately to get the American public to take the coronavirus seriously. If she hears a perfect cautionary tale, it isn’t necessarily her responsibility to investigate whether it’s too perfect before passing it along. It is, however, precisely the job of reporters.”

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[mikewhitney]

If the number of deaths per day is going up, we obviously haven't done enough.

They are not.

Here's the obvious data I have been talking about. In the OC, the number of cases is proportional to the number of tests

CalifOC Cases v Tests Nov 20.png

the blue line is average daily positive covid PCR tests and the red is average daily covid PCR tests done. (I get the daily data and then sum it and divide by 7. This is easier to see on the chart)
The x-axis represents the weeks starting with Jan 22. (If you add 3 to these then you have the week of the year.)

Also, the daily PCR tests are divided by 10 to fit the chart better. So for the OC, 223 positive outcomes (whether sick or not) per day is enough to put us to severe lockdown conditions. However, these numbers simply follow as a percentage of number of tests done.

A better (but still pretty useless) gauge is percent of cases per number of tests

CalifOC cases as pct of Tests Nov 20.png
we see here that the original percent is high because the tests were done more based on people that were hospitalized. This point is based on common sense and just general awareness of how things have been handled.

The peak is around June and early July.

If we are going to use useless PCR test numbers, at least the govt decisions should be based on the percent of positives rather than the number of positives.

[mikewhitney]

Source: https://www.wired.com/story/are-covid-patients-gasping-it-isnt-real-as-they-die/

A DESPERATE, OUTRAGED Twitter thread from a South Dakota emergency room nurse went viral last weekend, landing its author a live interview on CNN. “When I read some of your tweets, my jaw dropped,” the host told Jodi Doering, referring to her account of gravely ill patients who “scream at you for a magic medicine and that Joe Biden is going to ruin the USA. All while gasping for breath.”

“The reason I tweeted what I did is that it wasn’t one particular patient,” the nurse said. “It’s just a culmination of so many people, and their last, dying words are, ‘This can’t be happening, it’s not real.’ And when they should be spending time FaceTime-ing their families, they’re filled with anger and hatred, and it just made me really sad.”

These were astonishing statements, and, not surprisingly, they captured the attention of millions. ...

Doering’s statement that she’s watched “so many” people die from the disease even as they deny its very existence, endlessly repeated on social media and presented by news outlets without corroboration, would seem to represent a broader phenomenon.

But other nurses who work in similar settings say they’ve seen nothing of the kind.

I called a number of hospitals in the same part of South Dakota to ask emergency room nurses if they’d noticed the same, disturbing phenomenon. At Avera Weskota Memorial Hospital, about 20 minutes from Doering’s hometown of Woonsocket, an ER nurse told me, “I have not had that experience here.” At my request, Kim Rieger, the VP for communications and marketing at Huron Regional Medical Center, one of the four medical facilities where Doering works, spoke with several nurses at Huron to get their reactions to the CNN interview. None said they’d interacted with Covid patients who denied having the disease. “Most patients are grateful, and thankful for our help,” one told her. “I have not experienced this, nor have I been told of this experience, ever,” another said.

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We have gotten all sorts of distorted news on coronavirus. The media have continuously reported news based on specious anonymous sources. I was suspicious of that claim (even if the source is named) but was not looking for the exposure of it as a lie. Why does the media have to lie so much on political and coronavirus articles?

[CivilDiscourse]

They are not.

Here's the obvious data I have been talking about. In the OC, the number of cases is proportional to the number of tests

CalifOC Cases v Tests Nov 20.png

the blue line is average daily positive covid PCR tests and the red is average daily covid PCR tests done. (I get the daily data and then sum it and divide by 7. This is easier to see on the chart)
The x-axis represents the weeks starting with Jan 22. (If you add 3 to these then you have the week of the year.)

Also, the daily PCR tests are divided by 10 to fit the chart better. So for the OC, 223 positive outcomes (whether sick or not) per day is enough to put us to severe lockdown conditions. However, these numbers simply follow as a percentage of number of tests done.

A better (but still pretty useless) gauge is percent of cases per number of tests

CalifOC cases as pct of Tests Nov 20.png
we see here that the original percent is high because the tests were done more based on people that were hospitalized. This point is based on common sense and just general awareness of how things have been handled.

The peak is around June and early July.

If we are going to use useless PCR test numbers, at least the govt decisions should be based on the percent of positives rather than the number of positives.

In Indiana I follow the # of daily deaths. It is, in my opinion, the "cleanest" of the metrics used. Positivity rate is skewed due to who is/was being tested. Cases are skewed based on # of tests conducted. Deaths while there is argument about what should/should not count, seems to be a fairly consistently measured metric, which makes the #'s comparable across time, but not necessarily across states.

Indiana, by the way, isn't doing so hot. We are at/past the peak from earlier in the year.

https://www.coronavirus.in.gov/2393.htm