Coronavirus Outbreak...

[shunyadragon]

After his knowledge of the danger the virus posed was exposed in Woodwards book, Trumps newfound excuse for downplaying it was that he didn't want to create a panic. Nobody with half a brain would believe that. Informing the American people of the danger so that they can better protect themselves was hardly going to create a panic. Although we are talking about Trump here, so perhaps he did believe that. But then, what does he even mean by a panic? So the question remains, was it just his, and or his advisors stupidity? And if not that, then what was the real reason behind his downplaying of the danger? Whatever the true answer is, the decision is responsible for tens of thousands of deaths, an unprecedented economic collapse, and for that reason alone he should be voted out of office.

It is documented that Trump received detailed briefings on the dangers and severity of COVID-19 pandemic in January. Is there any evidence that this information was distributed to the public, and Congress in January. I have not found any evidence that he did.

[oxmixmudd]

Actually no, it is not clear the Swedish consider their efforts and their original strategy a success.



There is an interesting line of thinking concerning what human efforts that will control the spread of COVID-19, which I may address further in a later post.

My concern from the beginning of the CIOVID-19 pandemic is the lack of an organized aggressive effort to protect the elderly and the vulnerable. It was known very very early that the high fatality rate was a very real threat. I have never heard nor seen and concern from Donald Trump for concern over the elderly and vulnerable, nor was any plan ever implemented to protect them.

It is also acknowledged that countries that are relatively isolated like Sweden, New Zealand and Taiwan cannot be compared to large diverse countries with extensive connections worldwide like the USA.

Source: https://www.healthline.com/health-news/heres-what-happened-in-sweden-and-you-cant-compare-it-to-u-s

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Indeed, the Swedish example is misleading (mostly because the people using it are not looking very closely). The reality is the most countries that have tried to avoid any sort of restrictions have found themselve dealing with serious problems. It's a virus, it does what viruses do, which is spread when they can. If you give it an opportunity to spread, it will spread. Anytime it doesn't spread, it is because something has prevented it from spreading. So anywhere it is not growing exponentially, you need to look around and find out what is actually preventing it from doing so.

[Mountain Man]

It is documented that Trump received detailed briefings on the dangers and severity of COVID-19 pandemic in January.

Late January, the 23rd to be precise. About a week later, he instituted a foreign travel ban which Democrats lambasted as racist and xenophobic.

[shunyadragon]

Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/coronavirus-death-toll-maine-wedding-rises-5-over-175-infected-n1240138

Coronavirus death toll from Maine wedding rises to 7, with over 175 infected

Outbreaks at a rehabilitation center and a county jail have been linked to the wedding and reception in August.

The death toll from a coronavirus outbreak linked to an indoor wedding and reception in Maine has risen to seven, with the number of cases connected to the event up to 176.

The latest death was reported at the Maplecrest Rehabilitation Center in Madison, where five prior deaths were also deemed connected to the Aug. 7 wedding and reception. One person died at a hospital in the Millinocket area, a spokesman for the Maine Center for Disease Control and Prevention said Tuesday.

About 65 people attended the event, in violation of Gov. Janet Mills' executive order limiting indoor gatherings to 50 people, the Maine CDC has said.

The wedding ceremony was held at Tri Town Baptist Church in East Millinocket, about 63 miles north of Bangor, and a reception was held at the Big Moose Inn Cabins and Campground in Millinocket.

A person who answered the phone Tuesday at Big Moose Inn said they are not commenting and the church could not immediately be reached.

None of the seven people who have died attended the wedding or the reception.

But among those who did attend the event was an employee of the York County Jail, where 72 cases have been linked to the gathering, health officials have said.

Maine health officials have also said the wedding and reception are tied to the virus' spread at a Madison rehabilitation center.

And, the state is investigating whether an outbreak at Calvary Baptist Church, whose pastor officiated at the wedding, is linked to the event. The church is tied to at least 10 cases.

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[shunyadragon]

Late January, the 23rd to be precise. About a week later, he instituted a foreign travel ban which Democrats lambasted as racist and xenophobic.

Trump is the one who had the intelligence data and briefings, and he was in charge, and admitted he knew the danger and potential of the pandemic, and lied and deceived the public. Is there any evidence that he shared this information with Congress?

The partial stopping the flights from China was late and not effective, because it was only limited, and the spread of the virus was only a few dozen infected people in December and January.

[shunyadragon]

Fatalities today in the USA is over 1,400.

[JimL]

Late January, the 23rd to be precise. About a week later, he instituted a foreign travel ban which Democrats lambasted as racist and xenophobic.

The reason that Trump and then his fans keep pointing out his China travel ban, is because it's all they've got. And it wasn't even a ban. Some 40,000 people came in from China after the so called ban.

[JimL]

It is documented that Trump received detailed briefings on the dangers and severity of COVID-19 pandemic in January. Is there any evidence that this information was distributed to the public, and Congress in January. I have not found any evidence that he did.

No, not that I'm aware of. What he did was to assure the public that there was nothing to be concerned about, that he "had it totally under control".. An assertion he made on Jan. 22nd.

On Jan.24th: "Coronavirus is very much under control in the US".

" " 25th: "In fact, we're very close to a vaccine".

" " 26th: we're going very substantially down (in cases) not up".

" " 27th: "One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear".

March 8th: We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan for our attack on coronavirus".

" 10th: It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away".

" 13th: National Emergency was declared!

[Bill the Cat]

No, not that I'm aware of. What he did was to assure the public that there was nothing to be concerned about, that he "had it totally under control".. An assertion he made on Jan. 22nd.

On Jan.24th: "Coronavirus is very much under control in the US".

" " 25th: "In fact, we're very close to a vaccine".

" " 26th: we're going very substantially down (in cases) not up".

" " 27th: "One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear".

March 8th: We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan for our attack on coronavirus".

" 10th: It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away".

" 13th: National Emergency was declared!

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It should also be noted that as late as February 28th the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine published a paper saying that the virus seemed to be much less severe than other recent outbreaks of respiratory illnesses and would likely be no worse than a severe flu season:

Source: Clinical Characteristics of Coronavirus Disease 2019 in China

The overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.



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[Sparko]

It appears Nashville's Mayor is fudging the numbers of cases due to bars and restaurants in order to keep them shut down.

COVID-19 emails from Nashville mayor's office show disturbing revelationhttps://fox17.com/news/local/covid-1...TI6iE0HPZDO_uw

[shunyadragon]

Source: https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/17/europe/coronavirus-europe-who-second-wave-intl/index.html

WHO warns of 'very serious situation' in Europe, with 'alarming rates' of virus transmission

By Laura Smith-Spark and Vasco Cotovio, CNN

(CNN)The World Health Organization (WHO) has warned that coronavirus cases are surging alarmingly in Europe, as a "very serious situation" unfolds across the continent.

As Covid-19 infections spike to record numbers, European governments are imposing strict local measures and weighing up further lockdowns in a bid to halt a second wave of the pandemic.
But WHO regional director Hans Kluge said at a Thursday news conference that the increase in cases should serve as a warning of what is to come.
"Weekly cases have now exceeded those reported when the pandemic first peaked in Europe in March," Kluge said. "Last week, the region's weekly tally exceeded 300,000 patients."

More than half of European nations have reported an increase of more than 10% in new cases in the past two weeks, Kluge added. "Of those, seven countries have seen newly reported cases increase more than two-fold in the same period," he said.

"In the spring and early summer we were able to see the impact of strict lockdown measures. Our efforts, our sacrifices, paid off. In June cases hit an all-time low. The September case numbers, however, should serve as a wake-up call for all of us," he said.

"Although these numbers reflect more comprehensive testing, it also shows alarming rates of transmission across the region."

While there was an increase in cases in older age groups, those aged 50 to 79, in the first week of September, Kluge said, the biggest proportion of new cases is still among 25- to 49-year-olds.
Countries across the continent have been easing lockdowns and reopening their economies, but governments are now scrambling to avert further outbreaks.

"This pandemic has taken so much from us," Kluge said, citing the nearly 4.9 million recorded Covid-19 cases in Europe and more than 226,000 deaths. "And this tells only part of the story," he said. "The impact on our mental health, economies, livelihoods and society has been monumental."

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[Stoic]

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It should also be noted that as late as February 28th the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine published a paper saying that the virus seemed to be much less severe than other recent outbreaks of respiratory illnesses and would likely be no worse than a severe flu season:

Source: Clinical Characteristics of Coronavirus Disease 2019 in China

The overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.



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Yeah, it's dangerous to suggest that the virus might be less deadly than expected, when you have a president who will take that as a reason to not make any preparations for the possibility that it could be more deadly than expected.

[shunyadragon]

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It should also be noted that as late as February 28th the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine published a paper saying that the virus seemed to be much less severe than other recent outbreaks of respiratory illnesses and would likely be no worse than a severe flu season:

Source: Clinical Characteristics of Coronavirus Disease 2019 in China

The overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.



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Still unanswered. Did Trump release the briefings to the public and Congress that he based his conclusions that the COVID-19 was a very dangerous, and more deadly than any flu in January?. . . and ah lied to the public and withheld the knowledge.

[Bill the Cat]

Still unanswered. Did Trump release the briefings to the public and Congress that he based his conclusions that the COVID-19 was a very dangerous, and more deadly than any flu in January?. . . and ah lied to the public and withheld the knowledge.

He said that it was dangerous in the SOTU address, did he not? What date was that again?