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  • #16
    I'm not particularly concerned at this moment. The media is hyping it, and it is a bit severe, but the common flu kills more people each year.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by seanD View Post
      I don't see how this can hurt Trump. Any market/economic downturn from now to the election he can scapegoat something that was totally out of his control.
      Democrats are already ratcheting up their "Trump didn't do enough to stop the virus" narrative.

      House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) on Wednesday accused the Trump administration of responding “too late” to halt the possible spread of China’s deadly coronavirus in the United States.

      “This is shameful,” Pelosi told reporters on Capitol Hill when asked about the administration sending a $2.5 billion supplemental budget request to combat the illness. “He puts forth a proposal now that is meager, anemic in terms of addressing this. Ebola, we did $5 billion. And now they’re trying to take the Ebola money and spend it here.”

      “What he’s doing is late, too late, anemic,” she added. “Hopefully, we can make up for the loss of time but we have to have professionals in place, resources that are adequate and not use scare tactics about people coming back to our country.”

      https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...s-is-too-late/

      So Trump isn't doing enough. But if he suggests closing the border, it's just a "scare tactic". Gotta love Democrat logic.
      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
      Than a fool in the eyes of God


      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
        Democrats are already ratcheting up their "Trump didn't do enough to stop the virus" narrative.

        House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) on Wednesday accused the Trump administration of responding “too late” to halt the possible spread of China’s deadly coronavirus in the United States.

        “This is shameful,” Pelosi told reporters on Capitol Hill when asked about the administration sending a $2.5 billion supplemental budget request to combat the illness. “He puts forth a proposal now that is meager, anemic in terms of addressing this. Ebola, we did $5 billion. And now they’re trying to take the Ebola money and spend it here.”

        “What he’s doing is late, too late, anemic,” she added. “Hopefully, we can make up for the loss of time but we have to have professionals in place, resources that are adequate and not use scare tactics about people coming back to our country.”

        https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...s-is-too-late/

        So Trump isn't doing enough. But if he suggests closing the border, it's just a "scare tactic". Gotta love Democrat logic.
        Well, yeah, that's what they do.
        "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
          I'm not particularly concerned at this moment. The media is hyping it, and it is a bit severe, but the common flu kills more people each year.
          Yeah, but the overall mortality rate for Covid-19 appears to be around 1.5 % (flu is about 0.1%, I think). So if we see high numbers of people being infected (like get the flu each year) then we will see a lot more deaths from Covid-19 than the flu. Especially in the over 80 age group, where mortality looks to be about 15%.

          Of course, it's hard to know how accurate figures are, given the lack of transparency from China, and aspects like the long incubation time / symptomless cases in some people, difficulty of diagnosis, etc, so it could be lower than that (i.e. a lot of people infected that are undiagnosed and don't die). I expect mortality rates are going to be higher in areas with large numbers of cases as treatment facilities get overwhelmed and can't help everyone who needs it.

          It's going to be an interesting next few weeks. There are cases in the city I live near to, I'm planning for the possibility of spending some significant time 'confined to quarters'. I'd recommend everyone make some planning now for that possibility - lay in some non-perishable food, drinking water, stock up on medications etc. There is the possibility of supply-chain disruptions, panic buying, business closures etc even if ultimately the virus doesn't prove to be as bad as currently feared.

          Also: Read Psalm 91 , and put verse 14 in to practice.
          ...>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
            I'm not particularly concerned at this moment. The media is hyping it, and it is a bit severe, but the common flu kills more people each year.
            I'm no epidemiologist, but isn't it kind of silly making comparisons to the common flu when A) we don't have accurate data on the coronavirus, and B) the data we do have has only been collected for 2 months it's been around? If you gave the common flu just 2 months to spread, would it spread as fast and be as deadly?
            "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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            • #21
              Trump’s flailing incompetence makes coronavirus even scarier: America’s pandemic response capabilities have been systematically dismantled:

              In 2005, during the H1N5 bird flu scare, the US Agency for International Development ran a program called Predict to identify and research infectious diseases in animal populations in the developing world. Most new viruses that impact humans — apparently including the one causing the Covid-19 disease — emerge through this route, so investing in early research is the kind of thing that, at modest ongoing cost, served to reduce the likelihood of rare but catastrophic events.

              The program was initiated under George W. Bush and continued through Barack Obama’s eight years in office; then, last fall the Trump administration shut it down.

              That’s part of a broader pattern of actual and potential Trump efforts to shut down America’s ability to respond to pandemic disease.
              • Trump’s first budget proposal contained proposed cuts to the CDC that former Director Tom Frieden warned were “unsafe at any level of enactment.”

              • Congress mercifully didn’t agree to any such cuts, but as recently as February 11 — in the midst of the outbreak — Trump proposed huge cuts to both the CDC and the National Institutes of Health.

              • Perhaps because his budget officials were in the middle of proposing cuts to disease response, it’s only over this past weekend that they pivoted and started getting ready to ask for the additional money that coping with Covid-19 is clearly going to cost. But experts say they’re still lowballing it.

              • In early 2018, my colleague Julia Belluz argued that Trump was “setting up the US to botch a pandemic response” by, for example, forcing US government agencies to retreat from 39 of the 49 low-income countries they were working in on tasks like training disease detectives and building emergency operations centers.

              • Instead of taking such warnings to heart, later that year, “the Trump administration fired the government’s entire pandemic response chain of command, including the White House management infrastructure,” according to Laurie Garrett, a journalist and former senior fellow for global health at the Council on Foreign Relations.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                Is the coronavirus really any worse than the common flu?
                Who knows? Preventing panic is the main thing.
                Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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                • #23
                  I feel sorry for Pence.
                  "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    So Trump isn't doing enough. But if he suggests closing the border, it's just a "scare tactic". Gotta love Democrat logic.
                    Trump has done too much. Steps that were put in place by Obama after the Ebola outbreak were scrapped by Trump. And the post of global health czar was eliminated and CDC funding cut.

                    All done by Trump.

                    "US preparedness to deal with the threat of corona-virus has been hampered by the personnel and budget cuts made by the Trump administration over the past three years, according to health experts.

                    There is no one in the White House tasked specifically to oversee a coordinated government-wide response in the event of a pandemic, since the post of senior director for global health security and bio-threats on the national security council (NSC) was eliminated last May".

                    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-underprepared
                    “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
                      Who knows? Preventing panic is the main thing.
                      And along come the liberals screaming, "We're all going to die! And it's all Trump's fault!"
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by seanD View Post
                        I feel sorry for Pence.
                        Are you going put this remark into context?
                        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                        Than a fool in the eyes of God


                        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                          And along come the liberals screaming, "We're all going to die! And it's all Trump's fault!"
                          It works in CDC's best interest to milk it for all its worth. Thanks to SL's post, which I didn't know, this would give them even more of an incentive to hype it. Conservatives are saying the head of CDC is part of the anti-Trump resistance, thus is trying to make Trump look bad. I think the conspiracy is just greed. Another government bureaucrat seeking an opportunity to increase their budget.
                          "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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                          • #28
                            To answer OP's question, it's too late to contain the spread of the virus because contrary to ignorant claims made in this thread, the media downplayed the threat ("it's not as bad as the flu") until the truth was no longer possible to hide and the government is making active attempts to spread the virus by housing the infected at a former residential center for the mentally disabled (rather than a facility equipped to quarantine a level 3 or 4 biosafety hazard).

                            This is not the flu. The flu doesn't make people pass out in the streets, a claim proven by so many viral videos coming out of China, Iran and South Korea that not even snopes--that purveyor of disinformation--can outright deny it.

                            This virus is going to at the very least cause a global recession, but if you've been paying attention to the over 700 million Chinese people forcibly quarantined for a month and running with empty streets and shut down factories, it will likely be worse. The amount of American medication, electronics and machine parts the Chinese supply is staggering and they've been at a standstill for far longer than an interconnected global system can absorb.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by seanD View Post
                              I feel sorry for Pence.
                              Hey at least he can talk clearly. I thought Trump's speech last night was horrible. He just kept repeating himself and didn't seem to know what to say. Didn't inspire any confidence in me at all. At least he had the sense to let other people speak.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by seanD View Post
                                It works in CDC's best interest to milk it for all its worth. Thanks to SL's post, which I didn't know, this would give them even more of an incentive to hype it. Conservatives are saying the head of CDC is part of the anti-Trump resistance, thus is trying to make Trump look bad. I think the conspiracy is just greed. Another government bureaucrat seeking an opportunity to increase their budget.
                                The CDC was perfectly correct in what it said, which is that a community spread of the coronavirus is most likely to happen, and these are likely measures that business and schools should prepare to carry out. Many developed countries around the world are a) not able to prevent community spread and b) enacting similar measures. Maxvel is reasoning along the same lines at his own individual level.

                                It's simply a sober judgment.
                                Last edited by demi-conservative; 02-27-2020, 12:51 PM.
                                Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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