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Clueless liberals trying to figure out why Italy is having a resurgence of the China flu despite doing everything "right".
Just one month ago, Italy was the shining example of how masks and aggressive testing work to stave off a second COVID wave. Why have things gone so terribly wrong?
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What's particularly troubling about the return of COVID in Italy is that the country has done everything experts like Dr. Anthony Fauci have been advising. Face masks in public places have been compulsory for months, social distancing is strongly enforced, nightclubs have never reopened, and sporting arenas are at less than a third of capacity. Children who are back at school are regularly tested and strictly social-distanced, and yet, the second wave seems completely unstoppable.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/italy-...hat-went-wrongSome may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Chuckles View Post
Do you think this post has aged well, Mountain Man?
In a follow-up post around the same time, I said:
Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWe're really not getting any clear information about this. I've heard so many different things that it's hard to pin down the truth.Last edited by Mountain Man; 11-24-2020, 10:40 AM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostClueless liberals trying to figure out why Italy is having a resurgence of the China flu despite doing everything "right".
Just one month ago, Italy was the shining example of how masks and aggressive testing work to stave off a second COVID wave. Why have things gone so terribly wrong?
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What's particularly troubling about the return of COVID in Italy is that the country has done everything experts like Dr. Anthony Fauci have been advising. Face masks in public places have been compulsory for months, social distancing is strongly enforced, nightclubs have never reopened, and sporting arenas are at less than a third of capacity. Children who are back at school are regularly tested and strictly social-distanced, and yet, the second wave seems completely unstoppable.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/italy-...hat-went-wrong
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...rus-infectionsThat's what
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
And lauded South Korea is also struggling to contain it now...
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...rus-infectionsSome may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
North Dakota definitely has an elevated fatality rate for 2020, which roughly matches the COVID19 fatalities.
As far as more populated state absolutely no. This is a national/world pandemic, and citing limited data on states that have low rates Indiana and misrepresenting it does not address the seriousness of the pandemic.
For example:
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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
It's where he got "40 deaths per day in November", but it appears he thought it was total deaths rather than deaths due to covid-19.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
If masks work, then why aren't they working?
It does not mean that wearing a mask makes it impossible for you to become infected, nor that it makes it impossible for you to infect someone else.
It means that wearing a mask makes it less likely that you will become infected, and less likely that you will infect someone else, and that if you do become infected or infect someone else, the disease is less likely to require hospitalization or be fatal.
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Originally posted by Stoic View PostIt means that wearing a mask makes it less likely that you will become infected, and less likely that you will infect someone else, and that if you do become infected or infect someone else, the disease is less likely to require hospitalization or be fatal.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
I wish you would post actual data instead of headlines. The mainstream media always just post hype without showing what is happening. We have been through the exercise so many times where the mainstream media has not been accurate in their news or they hype up some narrow situation as if that represented the world. This article is not really news since we do not have details on deaths nor how the hospitalization curve has changed over time. (I'm surprised that you, in your interest in science, do not go into the data.) It is standard that more people get sicker in Fall and Winter. The thing people have to remember is to take Vitamin D3 and Zinc to boost their immune systems. It certainly would be nice if the media would remind people how to boost their immune systems.
Stoic correctly corrected your misrepresentation of the data in post #4411..Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
Well, the data you cite is selective, misleading and misrepresented, or down right dishonest. The figures cited in my references are accurate and not your phony manipulation for an agenda. I referred to a graph concerning North Dakota which you misrepresented that chowed an accurate representation of the COVID-19 fatalities and you failed to acknowledge making a false statement unsubstantiated: ". . . if this is the hot spot in nation it is a good sign since that means more populated states are way low." Neither the Dakotas nor Indiana are the hottest in the nation.
Stoic correctly corrected your misrepresentation of the data in post #4411..
You would have to show something better than that chart to show that your slanderous remarks are correct. You have yet to show anything contrary to the data we have examined.
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
You are not sorting things out properly. That is too bad. The chart I was looking at was apparently showing all the States but highlighting certain selected ones. SD and ND were the highest on the chart. Go figure.
You would have to show something better than that chart to show that your slanderous remarks are correct. You have yet to show anything contrary to the data we have examined.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
My remarks by the evidence of your misrepresntation and dishonest selective citations stand, and yes, you have been a COVID-19 pandemic denier from the beginning, and misrepresented the data.
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
One day we may figure out what is happening in your brain ... until then ... peace brother.
Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
All things will pass away as the real world pandemic takes its natural course regardless of your dishonest, unethical and misleading use of data to justify your agenda.
Are you catching on yet?
You are distracting people from a useful conversation.
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