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  • Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post

    He said that it was dangerous in the SOTU address, did he not? What date was that again?
    Please cite source and specifics.?

    What was the date he said e would not tell the Americans the truth about the Pandemic?

    Again . . . Still unanswered. Did Trump release the briefings to the public and Congress that he based his conclusions that the COVID-19 was a very dangerous, and more deadly than any flu in January?. . . and ah lied to the public and withheld the knowledge.
    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

    go with the flow the river knows . . .

    Frank

    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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    • Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post

      He said that it was dangerous in the SOTU address, did he not? What date was that again?
      All he said in the SOTU address was, "We are coordinating with the Chinese government and working closely together on the coronavirus outbreak in China. My administration will take all necessary steps to safeguard our citizens from this threat."

      Which turned out to be false.

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        • It still remains that the political and governmental "solution" to covid-19 is far more deadly than the disease. it is especially going to lead to more starvation in the poorer countries. But even London has most of the district businesses shutdown permanently which is an indicator of the devastation on the economy.

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          • Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
            It still remains that the political and governmental "solution" to covid-19 is far more deadly than the disease. it is especially going to lead to more starvation in the poorer countries. But even London has most of the district businesses shutdown permanently which is an indicator of the devastation on the economy.
            To make that case, you'll have to show that the deaths resulting from attempts to reduce the spread of the virus have exceeded the number of people that would have died had they not taken those efforts. Consider the US: given that our current death toll is 230,000+, and given that a 2% mortality and 25% of the country contracting it would produce 1.5 million deaths (2% of 300,000,000 = 6,000,000. 25% of 6,000,000 = 1.5 million), you would need to show at least another 1.3 million deaths caused by the shutdown, mask wearing etc.

            I don't think you can make that case.
            My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

            If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

            This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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            • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

              To make that case, you'll have to show that the deaths resulting from attempts to reduce the spread of the virus have exceeded the number of people that would have died had they not taken those efforts. Consider the US: given that our current death toll is 230,000+, and given that a 2% mortality and 25% of the country contracting it would produce 1.5 million deaths (2% of 300,000,000 = 6,000,000. 25% of 6,000,000 = 1.5 million), you would need to show at least another 1.3 million deaths caused by the shutdown, mask wearing etc.

              I don't think you can make that case.
              Well if you take 6% of the cases ascribed to covid-19, you get a lot closer to the real numbers in the states. If you subtract out the deaths that would have been ascribed to the flu and influenza, that is part of a major adjustment. If you remove the deaths that never should have been ascribed to coronavirus, that is a good part of the reduction that should be made. Cuomo forced many sick people in New York city into nursing homes to infect others, so the number should have been smaller but were high because of government policy. If you consider the media rejection of hydroxycholoroquine, we could have had fewer deaths. Plus, there was the New York City push of people to ventilators when they all died from that, then the numbers should have been lower.

              I think after all this, it is government policy and media propaganda that accounts for a majority of the deaths listed as covid-19.

              i don't have the figures with me. But we are having lots of suicides, suicidal thoughts, alcoholism, mental and physical problems. Plus, there will be 100k deaths per year that will follow from the unemployment (but this will include some of the just-listed issues into this death count). The numbers on the unemployment were (from a study years ago) 65,000 per 1 percent increase in unemployment. We have a much larger unemployment happening.

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              • Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post

                Well if you take 6% of the cases ascribed to covid-19, you get a lot closer to the real numbers in the states. If you subtract out the deaths that would have been ascribed to the flu and influenza, that is part of a major adjustment. If you remove the deaths that never should have been ascribed to coronavirus, that is a good part of the reduction that should be made. Cuomo forced many sick people in New York city into nursing homes to infect others, so the number should have been smaller but were high because of government policy. If you consider the media rejection of hydroxycholoroquine, we could have had fewer deaths. Plus, there was the New York City push of people to ventilators when they all died from that, then the numbers should have been lower.

                I think after all this, it is government policy and media propaganda that accounts for a majority of the deaths listed as covid-19.

                i don't have the figures with me. But we are having lots of suicides, suicidal thoughts, alcoholism, mental and physical problems. Plus, there will be 100k deaths per year that will follow from the unemployment (but this will include some of the just-listed issues into this death count). The numbers on the unemployment were (from a study years ago) 65,000 per 1 percent increase in unemployment. We have a much larger unemployment happening.
                Total BS.
                My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                • Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post

                  i don't have the figures with me. But we are having lots of suicides, suicidal thoughts, alcoholism, mental and physical problems. Plus, there will be 100k deaths per year that will follow from the unemployment (but this will include some of the just-listed issues into this death count). The numbers on the unemployment were (from a study years ago) 65,000 per 1 percent increase in unemployment. We have a much larger unemployment happening.
                  There is also a large number of people who have died from treatable illnesses because they were either too afraid to visit a medical facility because of liberal fearmongering, or they were refused treatment because the medical facilities were prioritizing non-existent China flu cases.
                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


                  From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                  • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

                    Total BS.
                    Oops. It sounds like you have missed all the news for the last 6 months. There are a bunch of discussions in theologyweb that you also appeared to have forgotten or missed. Sorry to have to share the actual good news that makes you feel so miserable.

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                    • Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post

                      Oops. It sounds like you have missed all the news for the last 6 months. There are a bunch of discussions in theologyweb that you also appeared to have forgotten or missed. Sorry to have to share the actual good news that makes you feel so miserable.
                      You're talking to people who think diseases are cured by politics and not scientific discovery.
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                        There is also a large number of people who have died from treatable illnesses because they were either too afraid to visit a medical facility because of liberal fearmongering, or they were refused treatment because the medical facilities were prioritizing non-existent China flu cases.
                        Indeed. People are so focused on this one cause of death that they don't remember that most people die from other causes. The CDC website shows 2.8 Million deaths happen per year. Heart disease is 647k and cancer is 600k. These numbers happen every year and should be a greater concern.

                        Plus, we keep finding that places with lockdowns and masks do not fare better than those without these precautions.

                        All this media and government propaganda goes into the manipulation mentioned in Matthew 11:16-17
                        To what can I compare this generation? They are like children sitting in the marketplaces and calling out to others: 17‘ We played the flute for you, and you did not dance; we sang a dirge, and you did not mourn
                        Our media and government is like these children -- playing the flute and singing a dirge and expecting us to obey this manipulation.
                        Last edited by mikewhitney; 10-27-2020, 03:20 PM.

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                        • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                          You're talking to people who think diseases are cured by politics and not scientific discovery.
                          That is a really good summary of the US conservative position: Don't believe in the value of science, but think that it's all about politics.
                          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                          • Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
                            That is a really good summary of the US conservative position: Don't believe in the value of science, but think that it's all about politics.
                            That is exactly the opposite of what I said.
                            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                            Than a fool in the eyes of God


                            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                            • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              That is exactly the opposite of what I said.
                              I know what you meant. You were just so much 100% the opposite of right and projecting that it was worth pointing out.

                              You're a YEC who's a chronic science-denier across all sorts of issues, and you've been vocal about Covid being close to entirely a political issue rather than a serious disease issue right from the start, and you think the media will just forget about it when Biden becomes president.

                              I'm literally a scientist who literally researches microorganisms and diseases for my day job.

                              And you, the science denier, are accusing me, the scientist, and other people like me, of not valuing science, and not thinking disease is cured by scientific discovery.

                              You're so insane it's on another level.
                              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                              • Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
                                I know what you meant.
                                Right.
                                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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