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"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostName 5 US doctors arrested/dying mysteriously, 5 cases of samples being destroyed, or cases of the US lying to the world about a new illness. Maybe you’ll get to that after you’re done attacking your fellow Christians and excusing away China’s lies. Please tell me they are paying you because you’re getting screwed if they are not.Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostSo you have evidence that the Trump administration arrested doctors, destroyed samples, and lied to the world about the spread of a new illness within our country? I’d like to see your evidence, got any?
I asked just how is our response different, then gave an answer: I know, we don't use the camp system. By camp system, I meant the host of tools which a totaliarian regime relies on. Since we are not totalitarian, then it should be tacitly assumed that we do not have totalitarian methods. So one would expect to see different methods used when embarking o similar policies.
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostMy bad, I neglected to account for the extreme literalistic tendencies here, so I should have explained myself better.
I asked just how is our response different, then gave an answer: I know, we don't use the camp system. By camp system, I meant the host of tools which a totaliarian regime relies on. Since we are not totalitarian, then it should be tacitly assumed that we do not have totalitarian methods. So one would expect to see different methods used when embarking o similar policies.
We didn’t arrest doctors, destroy samples, and lie to the world about the nature of a new disease.
Is that too complicated for you to understand?"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostJudas at least got some silver for selling out Jesus. If you’re going to sell out and repeat Chinese propaganda, you might as well get paid for it.
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostIt’s easy,
We didn’t arrest doctors, destroy samples, and lie to the world about the nature of a new disease.
Is that too complicated for you to understand?
China has the disease under control, and is now providing aid to Europe. And is lifting the mass quarantine. They did get a lot of things right in this, things which they presented to the world, and we in the US ignored.
Inciting panic is wrong, the US uses different measure than China on those who needlessly incite panic.
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostA Judas analogy. Gee, I wonder if Rum tugger would see anything wrong in this post. Nawwww, that would be too much to expect from a Twebber.Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 03-26-2020, 08:28 AM."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostYes it is easy. Anything is acceptable as long as it falls short of the totalitarian methods. But I disagree. The US made the same false steps as China, although it used lesser methods. And people will pay the price.
China has the disease under control, and is now providing aid to Europe. And is lifting the mass quarantine. They did get a lot of things right in this, things which they presented to the world, and we in the US ignored.
Inciting panic is wrong, the US uses different measure than China on those who needlessly incite panic."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostComments like that make me wonder which team you're cheering for.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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My ese at work has been telling me about these piñatas since last week.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostA piece in the The Atlantic (hardly a bastion of conservatism or even allowing their side to be presented) for those who keep trying to minimize what the Chicoms did
Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostHave you not been reading the data on testing? Here, let me show you:
A “false-negative” outcome is when someone is tested and found to be clear of the disease, but when tested again, are found to have it. The WHO’s guidelines for laboratory testing of COVID-19 say that negative results “do not rule out the possibility of COVID-19 virus infection.”7
This means that even in countries that have done lots of tests, the true number of COVID-19 cases is still uncertain, although of course more testing still means more certainty.
There haven’t been many studies into how common false negatives are, so it’s hard to know how big an impact they have on our understanding – but research is going on.
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-testing
If you continue to read and look at their charts, you’ll find the US is among the top 5 countries to have performed COVID-19 test as of 20 March. You’ll also see that there is some wiggle room in there.
South Korea also is more urbanized, with a larger percentage of the population, living closer together. Their population density is 503 people, per KM2 while ours is 36 people per KM2. This matters, with an infectious disease. More spread out = less chance for community spread = less total infections. (Italy is 206). This stuff all matters and is things you’re ignoring in your ‘get Trump’ mentality.
In this case, a median population density would be a better choice. If you looked at the entire population of South Korea and asked "what is the median population density experienced by a South Korean citizen" and compared it to the U.S., I think you would find that the U.S. has FAR more people living at a higher population density than the the median South Korean citizen.Last edited by carpedm9587; 03-26-2020, 09:06 AM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostYes they did try to lie, cover up, squelch the free flow of information, going so far as to silence health care professionals. And just how is that different from the US' response? I know, we don't use a camp system.
The fact is that we are relying, in part, on models developed by the Chinese. We are following the draconian methods of locking down society and the economy on a scale which is unnecessary in some countries which embarked on a different course.
I know you and Rogue cannot contemplate a reality in which people disagree with you based on a reasoned analysis of the evidence without being in the employ of the China Communist Party. That sounds like the line Christians use about da debbil being behind every idea which disagrees with the Christian who can interpret scripture with divine precision.
Are you pro life? The communal church services present a quandary, a moral dilemma, for the case of the large gatherings on Sunday. One indirect effect of that worship is people dying. What does "Choose life" mean in that situation of holding church service in the midst of a plague? And if you take the wrong course of action, are you in the employ of Satan, who hates life?
"I'm not excusing China, I'm saying that the US has been just as bad."
Really?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostAnd THAT is exactly what is wrong with this country - that so many think in terms of teams and tribes instead of examining the issues and coming to their own conclusions, without regard for "which team" they might or might not be aligning with.Last edited by Mountain Man; 03-26-2020, 09:27 AM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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