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  • Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    And being an adult, you'd think you would have learned what a joke is. Trump has never seriously asked for help in ANY election. He may have joked about Russia getting Hillary's deleted emails, but there was never any evidence of any actual request from him or his campaign. The Mueller Report was clear on that. And assuming this fiasco is anything more than Trump being pissed about 2016 accusations is utterly unfounded. There isn't a shred of evidence that 2020 was his goal, and a heap that shows 2016 was. Adults look at evidence, Jim, not impassioned repetitive speeches made just to get the latest media sound byte.
    It's no joke when right after you ask for help, the country you 'jokingly' asked starts a hacking campaign to get you the very information you asked for.

    And not only that, he has tried to force another country to help him, costing that country lives, and at the detriment of US national security.

    It is amazing that you can claim he's done nothing, when not only did he do something then, he has escalated now.
    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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    • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
      Clearly, the better part of 'an intelligent argument' eludes you today.
      At least you were generous enough to concede that it's only today.
      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
      Than a fool in the eyes of God


      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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      • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
        Are you capable of writing posts without spewing a continuous stream of bile?
        Are you capable of not diving into insane conspiracy theories? Anyone promoting a joke, as trump asking Putin for help, should be mocked and laughed at. Sometime mockery, is the best response. Give something that doesn’t make you into a laughing stock and you’ll get a serious response.
        "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
        GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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        • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
          It's no joke when right after you ask for help, the country you 'jokingly' asked starts a hacking campaign to get you the very information you asked for.

          And not only that, he has tried to force another country to help him, costing that country lives, and at the detriment of US national security.

          It is amazing that you can claim he's done nothing, when not only did he do something then, he has escalated now.
          And the pointing and laughing at your insane theories, continues.
          "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
          GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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          • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
            It's no joke when right after you ask for help, the country you 'jokingly' asked starts a hacking campaign to get you the very information you asked for.

            And not only that, he has tried to force another country to help him, costing that country lives, and at the detriment of US national security.

            It is amazing that you can claim he's done nothing, when not only did he do something then, he has escalated now.
            Oxmixmudd it was a report about Russia hacking the DNC that caused Trump to make his JOKE so Trump did not ask them to do it they had already done it. thinking Americans understood the joke. Sheesh can't anyone on the left understand humor anymore.
            Last edited by RumTumTugger; 01-24-2020, 06:23 PM.

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            • Shifty Schiff says:

              "If a president can be so easily manipulated to disbelieve his own intelligence agencies, to accept the propaganda of the Kremlin, that is a threat to our national security—and this is just what has happened here."

              I guess he missed the news last night that the FISA warrants against Carter Page that were used to spy on the Trump campaign were ruled invalid because the FBI lied to the judge in order to get them approved.

              Schiff also claims that the Russians have a psychological profile on Trump so they know how to manipulate him.

              Seriously, man, Schiff is a nut!
              Last edited by Mountain Man; 01-24-2020, 03:07 PM.
              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
              Than a fool in the eyes of God


              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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              • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                Shifty Schiff says:

                "If a president can be so easily manipulated to disbelieve his own intelligence agencies, to accept the propaganda of the Kremlin, that is a threat to our national security—and this is just what has happened here."

                I guess he missed the news last night that the FISA warrants against Carter Page that were used to spy on the Trump campaign were ruled invalid because the FBI lied to the judge in order to get them approved.

                Schiff also claims that the Russians have a psychological profile on Trump so they know how to manipulate him.

                Seriously, man, Schiff is a nut!
                I am sure they have a psychological profile on him too, as well as every other high ranking person in the government, past and present. I am sure we have them on the Ruskies too. That's what the CIA does. And any president that just takes the word of any info reported to him by any agency, without using his own judgment is the one I want to keep out of office. His JOB is to take the information given to him, decide if it is valid and make decisions based on his judgment.

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                • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                  And any president that just takes the word of any info reported to him by any agency, without using his own judgment is the one I want to keep out of office. His JOB is to take the information given to him, decide if it is valid and make decisions based on his judgment.
                  I'm not sure where Democrats picked up this idea that the President isn't his own agent and is simply supposed to do whatever his advisers tell him to do.

                  Or maybe I do when I consider that Barrack "Lead From Behind" Obama was the quintessential Democrat president.
                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


                  From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                  • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    I'm not sure where Democrats picked up this idea that the President isn't his own agent and is simply supposed to do whatever his advisers tell him to do.

                    Or maybe I do when I consider that Barrack "Lead From Behind" Obama was the quintessential Democrat president.
                    They want a puppet President that they can control. Trump doesn't play by their rules and that makes them upset. They want him to be part of the swamp.

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                    • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                      I'm not sure where Democrats picked up this idea that the President isn't his own agent and is simply supposed to do whatever his advisers tell him to do.
                      And how they elevate "career diplomats" in foreign policy over POTUS who SETS foreign policy. They employ Tassmanlike superfluous adverbs and adjectives making these people 'gods', and Trump a monster.
                      "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                      • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                        Shifty Schiff says:

                        "If a president can be so easily manipulated to disbelieve his own intelligence agencies, to accept the propaganda of the Kremlin, that is a threat to our national security—and this is just what has happened here."

                        I guess he missed the news last night that the FISA warrants against Carter Page that were used to spy on the Trump campaign were ruled invalid because the FBI lied to the judge in order to get them approved.

                        Schiff also claims that the Russians have a psychological profile on Trump so they know how to manipulate him.

                        Seriously, man, Schiff is a nut!
                        Wasn't this supposed to be about Ukraine aid?
                        That's what
                        - She

                        Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                        - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                        I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                        Stephen R. Donaldson

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                        • Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                          Wasn't this supposed to be about Ukraine aid?
                          Do they realize that Russia and Ukraine are enemies? How can Trump be both a Russian Puppet and Ukrainian Puppet Master?

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                          • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                            Do they realize that Russia and Ukraine are enemies? How can Trump be both a Russian Puppet and Ukrainian Puppet Master?
                            And how many times did Obama either assist or fail to stand up to Russia?

                            5 Times The Obama Administration Helped Russia At The United States’ Expense
                            "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                            • Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                              What makes you think that it will go down in history as a triumph vs a failure?
                              It will go down as a triumph if the President is held to account, a failure, and a black mark on democracy, if he is not. Why? Because he is obviously guilty, putting his own personal interests ahead of the countries vital interests, that he can, as he has done, collude, bribe or extort foreign governments while putting our own, as well as our democratic alies, national security at risk, and it will render the supposed co-equal branch unable to do anything about it. And if he gets away with it this second time, you can be assured that he will feel free to, and as he has shown, will do, again.

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                              • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                                It will go down as a triumph if the President is held to account, a failure, and a black mark on democracy, if he is not. Why? Because he is obviously guilty, putting his own personal interests ahead of the countries vital interests, that he can, as he has done, collude, bribe or extort foreign governments while putting our own, as well as our democratic alies, national security at risk, and it will render the supposed co-equal branch unable to do anything about it. And if he gets away with it this second time, you can be assured that he will feel free to, and as he has shown, will do, again.
                                So, you've already declared him guilty until proven innocent? Good job Comrade.
                                That's what
                                - She

                                Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                                - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                                I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                                Stephen R. Donaldson

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