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  • Just war and Iran

    One element of Just war theory is a reasonable expectation of success.

    My question is: Does the US has a reasonable expectation of success if the conflict escalates with Iran?

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    It depends on our objectives. Some objectives are easier to attain then others.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
      It depends on our objectives. Some objectives are easier to attain then others.
      What set of objectives would be achievable, and just?

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      • #4
        Something like precision strikes to limit military effectiveness, or cripple their economy versus trying to occupy the country.
        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
          Something like precision strikes to limit military effectiveness, or cripple their economy versus trying to occupy the country.
          Is crippling the economy part of a Christian ethic?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by simplicio View Post
            Is crippling the economy part of a Christian ethic?

            The US isn't a Theocracy.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
              The US isn't a Theocracy.
              A good point. But don't you think a secular society would do well to keep in mind Christian ethics and morality? When the topic is abortion, I don't think Christians often note that the US is not a theocracy.

              I think it a good thing when the country's leaders are informed by Christian ideas.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by simplicio View Post
                Is crippling the economy part of a Christian ethic?
                The whole point of military action is to deprive the enemy of the will to fight.
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                  The whole point of military action is to deprive the enemy of the will to fight.
                  So no restraints on recognizing the differences between Civilian and military?

                  And what differentiates your view from that of the terrorists?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by simplicio View Post
                    A good point. But don't you think a secular society would do well to keep in mind Christian ethics and morality? When the topic is abortion, I don't think Christians often note that the US is not a theocracy.

                    I think it a good thing when the country's leaders are informed by Christian ideas.
                    I don't consider abortion to be a theological issue. It's downright murder, no matter what religion.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by simplicio View Post
                      So no restraints on recognizing the differences between Civilian and military?

                      And what differentiates your view from that of the terrorists?
                      Adherence to the Geneva Convention.
                      That's what
                      - She

                      Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                      - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                      I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                      Stephen R. Donaldson

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by simplicio View Post
                        So no restraints on recognizing the differences between Civilian and military?
                        Not what I said.

                        Originally posted by simplicio View Post
                        And what differentiates your view from that of the terrorists?
                        There's an obvious and significant difference between terrorism, and limited, military action.

                        Frankly, you seem to be moving very quickly into straw man territory.
                        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                        Than a fool in the eyes of God


                        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                          Something like precision strikes to limit military effectiveness, or cripple their economy versus trying to occupy the country.
                          I'm not sure crippling an economy is a good idea. It makes for a volatile situation instead of a contented one.

                          I believe China was scarier before it started improving the living standard of its people. Now, that has become its focus, instead of ideological proselytizing. Perhaps if Iran (government and citizens) were more contented they would be less focused on Israel, the US, and Sunnis?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                            Not what I said.


                            There's an obvious and significant difference between terrorism, and limited, military action.

                            Frankly, you seem to be moving very quickly into straw man territory.
                            The context is Just War theory, its in the title.

                            Your responses did leave open my questions, and the question still stands: What differentiates your view from the terrorists?

                            Terrorists target limited and particular targets. But they generally see no distinctions between civilian and military targets, or targets with little military importance. And breaking the will of the enemy is a goal of terrorist tactics.

                            Bill the Cat named a difference, adherence to the Geneva Convention, which is an acknowledgement of the importance of internationalism as opposed to unilateral polices of the country.

                            Trump brought in the targeting of targets of cultural importance. Do you agree?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by simplicio View Post
                              Your responses did leave open my questions, and the question still stands: What differentiates your view from the terrorists?
                              I suppose it depends on how you define "terrorist". Define the term broadly enough, and any military act could be called "terrorism".

                              Originally posted by simplicio View Post
                              Trump brought in the targeting of targets of cultural importance. Do you agree?
                              Targeting sites of "cultural importance" (and I'm not entirely sure what those are) seems like it could be a good way to break a people's will with limited human casualties.
                              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                              Than a fool in the eyes of God


                              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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