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    Tehran’s overrated military strategist made many political miscalculations

    A little background on Suleimani.

    One day they may name a street after President Donald Trump in Tehran. Why? Because Trump just ordered the assassination of possibly the dumbest man in Iran and the most overrated strategist in the Middle East: Maj Gen Qassem Suleimani.

    Think of the miscalculations this guy made. In 2015, the US and the major European powers agreed to lift virtually all their sanctions on Iran, many dating back to 1979, in return for Iran halting its nuclear weapons programme for a mere 15 years but still maintaining the right to have a peaceful nuclear programme. It was a great deal for Iran. It’s economy grew by over 12 per cent the next year. And what did Suleimani do with that windfall?

    He and Iran’s supreme leader launched an aggressive regional imperial project that made Iran and its proxies the de facto controlling power in Beirut, Damascus, Baghdad and Sanaa. This freaked out US allies in the Sunni Arab world and Israel, and they prevailed on the Trump administration to respond by tearing up the nuclear deal and imposing oil sanctions on Iran that have now shrunk the Iranian economy by almost 10 per cent and sent unemployment to more that 16 per cent.

    All that for the pleasure of saying that Tehran can call the shots in Beirut, Damascus, Baghdad and Sanaa. What exactly was second prize?

    By severely depriving the Tehran regime of funds, the ayatollahs had to raise gasoline prices at home, triggering massive domestic protests. That required a harsh crackdown by Iran’s clerics against their own people that left thousands jailed and killed, further weakening the legitimacy of the regime.

    Israeli intelligence

    Then Mr “Military Genius” Suleimani decided that, having propped up the regime of President Bashar Assad in Syria and helping to kill 500,000 Syrians in the process, he would overreach again and try to put direct pressure on Israel. He would do this by trying to transfer precision-guided rockets from Iran to Iranian proxy forces in Lebanon and Syria.

    .......
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    That reminds me. IF we do go to war with Iran, Israel will be right there, bombing the crap out of Iran and welcoming our troops and sealing the bond between our countries. Israel has been itching to retaliate against Iran for years and the US kept holding them back. There won't be any holding them back if there is an actual war between the US and Iran.

    Of course this will tick off the democrats to no end.
    Last edited by Sparko; 01-07-2020, 08:59 AM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      That reminds me. IF we do go to war with Iran, Israel will be right there, bombing the crap out of Iran and welcoming our troops and sealing the bond between our countries. Israel has been itching to retaliate against Iran for years and the US kept holding them back. There won't be any holding them back if there is an actual war between the US and Iran.

      Of course this will tick of the democrats to no end.
      And, as I said elsewhere, there will be the standard PUBLIC OUTCRY of condemnation from a number of countries, along with the back channel (what can we do to help)
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
        That reminds me. IF we do go to war with Iran, Israel will be right there, bombing the crap out of Iran and welcoming our troops and sealing the bond between our countries. Israel has been itching to retaliate against Iran for years and the US kept holding them back. There won't be any holding them back if there is an actual war between the US and Iran.

        Of course this will tick off the democrats to no end.
        Ticking off 2020 swing voters is what I'd be more concerned about.

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        • #5
          I hear there are no Wal Mart's in Iran... only...









          Targets.



          That's what
          - She

          Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
          - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

          I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            That reminds me. IF we do go to war with Iran, Israel will be right there, bombing the crap out of Iran and welcoming our troops and sealing the bond between our countries. Israel has been itching to retaliate against Iran for years and the US kept holding them back. There won't be any holding them back if there is an actual war between the US and Iran.

            Of course this will tick off the democrats to no end.
            Only a lunatic would gleefully look forward to such a thing. You sound like you’re talking about a gang war or football match.

            Christopher Hitchens regularly shamed his debate opponents by pointing out the elephant in the religious room—apocalyptists (mainly Muslims, Jews, and Christians) looking forward to God-ordained grudge matches.

            You are right, however. Mostly it’s conservatives and Republicans who get off on this. I already see these yokels’ FB meme posts talking about kicking middle-eastern butt.
            Last edited by whag; 01-07-2020, 09:44 AM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by seanD View Post
              Ticking off 2020 swing voters is what I'd be more concerned about.
              I don't know what this will do to the election. It could go either way at this point.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                And, as I said elsewhere, there will be the standard PUBLIC OUTCRY of condemnation from a number of countries, along with the back channel (what can we do to help)
                Gee sounds like a certain conflict in Iraq doesn’t it?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                  I don't know what this will do to the election. It could go either way at this point.
                  There's really no question how it will swing unfavorably against Trump when you look at the polls. Then when you consider his campaign promises and how that would be exploited by whichever leftist wackaloon the DNC nominates... it would be pretty brutal.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by whag View Post
                    Gee sounds like a certain conflict in Iraq doesn’t it?
                    Not sure what point you're trying to make, because this is what that's all about. I was very much for the first Iraq war - I didn't think it was such a good idea to go all the way into Baghdad subsequently.
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      Not sure what point you're trying to make, because this is what that's all about. I was very much for the first Iraq war - I didn't think it was such a good idea to go all the way into Baghdad subsequently.
                      You said there’d be a “standard PUBLIC OUTCRY of condemnation from a number of countries.” I’m assuming you’re referring to the reaction after we invaded Iraq. Therefore there’s a similarity. Of course it’s not exactly the same, but there is a similarity.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        One day they may name a street after President Donald Trump in Tehran.
                        Maybe the road a rubbish dump is on?

                        Are you aware that Soleimani's funeral has been attended by millions and millions of people, making it possibly the biggest funeral in human history?

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                        Some video footage you can flick through and see various different shots of the massive crowds:



                        The man was loved in Iran. A University of Maryland poll of Iranians at the end of last year found Suleimani had an 80% approval rating (and that was consistent with polling done by other agencies in Iran).
                        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          Of course this will tick off the democrats to no end.
                          It's sad that this seems to the be US right's measure of morality at this point. You guys have so totally lost any ideology, any moral compass, any notion of how to act in the world, that all you can do is look for ways to 'trigger the libs'.
                          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                            That reminds me. IF we do go to war with Iran, Israel will be right there, bombing the crap out of Iran and welcoming our troops and sealing the bond between our countries. Israel has been itching to retaliate against Iran for years and the US kept holding them back. There won't be any holding them back if there is an actual war between the US and Iran.

                            Of course this will tick off the democrats to no end.
                            Israel stayed on the sidelines for the Iraq invasion, much to Saddam's disappointment. Israel would likely stay out.

                            The US has bases in two thirds of the world's countries, except Israel! There is a small contingent of radar and air defense missions in Israel.

                            Camp Lejeune and Ft Bragg are deploying troops.
                            Last edited by simplicio; 01-07-2020, 01:56 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              It's sad that this seems to the be US right's measure of morality at this point. You guys have so totally lost any ideology, any moral compass, any notion of how to act in the world, that all you can do is look for ways to 'trigger the libs'.
                              Thank you for preaching about morals to me, Mr. Infanticide.

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