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  • Why Soleimani Was Killed...

    No duh...

    inside the plot by iran’s soleimani to attack u.s. Forces in iraq


    in mid-october, iranian major-general qassem soleimani met with his iraqi shi’ite militia allies at a villa on the banks of the tigris river, looking across at the u.s. Embassy complex in baghdad.


    the revolutionary guards commander instructed his top ally in iraq, abu mahdi al-muhandis, and other powerful militia leaders to step up attacks on u.s. Targets in the country using sophisticated new weapons provided by iran, two militia commanders and two security sources briefed on the gathering told reuters.

    The strategy session, which has not been previously reported, came as mass protests against iran’s growing influence in iraq were gaining momentum, putting the islamic republic in an unwelcome spotlight. Soleimani’s plans to attack u.s. Forces aimed to provoke a military response that would redirect that rising anger toward the united states, according to the sources briefed on the gathering, iraqi shi’ite politicians and government officials close to iraqi prime minister adel abdul mahdi
    .

    soleimani’s efforts ended up provoking the u.s. Attack on friday that killed him and muhandis, marking a major escalation of tensions between the united states and iran. The two men died in air strikes on their convoy at a baghdad airport as they headed to the capital, dealing a major blow to the islamic republic and the iraqi paramilitary groups it support

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-iduskbn1z301z
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

  • #2
    Originally posted by seer View Post
    Soleimani’s plans to attack u.s. Forces aimed to provoke a military response that would redirect that rising anger toward the united states, according to the sources briefed on the gathering, iraqi shi’ite politicians and government officials close to iraqi prime minister adel abdul mahdi.
    Looks like he got his wish. oops.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      Looks like he got his wish. oops.
      One of those "be careful what you wish for" moments.

      I'm always still in trouble again

      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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      • #4
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        One of those "be careful what you wish for" moments.
        But I thought he was on a diplomatic mission?
        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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        • #5
          Originally posted by seer View Post
          But I thought he was on a diplomatic mission?
          "Don't act so surprised, your highness, you weren't on any mercy mission this time!"
          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
          Than a fool in the eyes of God


          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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          • #6
            Trump wanted an out to pull the troops out.
            Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
            Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
            But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

            go with the flow the river knows . . .

            Frank

            I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
              Trump wanted an out to pull the troops out.
              4-D chess?
              "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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              • #8
                I heard soleimani faked his death so he could be free to chase his dream of producing Shakespeare at community theatres. An audience of 20 to 50 would be ideal. Any more would make him too nervous right now, he’s not ready for that just yet but in 5 years? Who knows.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by seer View Post
                  No duh...
                  Interesting. Unfortunately difficult to accept at face value since the Trump Administration can't even seem to get it's own story straight.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by JimL View Post
                    Unfortunately difficult to accept at face value since the Trump Administration can't even seem to get it's own story straight.
                    The US media has been lying its people into wars for the last 50 years. Generally the military industrial complex and/or the President's administration provides some 'sources' to discreetly tell the media some lies, and the media breathlessly reports it as gospel truth. Secretive evidence from anonymous sources that wouldn't pass muster in any trial of any common criminal suddenly gets elevated to the status of We Totally Need To Go To War Over This And Kill Hundreds of Thousands of People.

                    Despite all of that history, Seer seems to have his gullibility set to maximum.
                    Last edited by Starlight; 01-06-2020, 11:45 PM.

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                    • #11
                      What seems to be leaking out of the administration is that it's standard practice for the Pentagon to offer Presidents a wide range of options in any situation including those that the Pentagon itself considers absurd. Killing Soleimani was apparently one of those implausible options. (6 Pentagon officials have resigned in the last month, so possibly things are not being very well organized at the Pentagon's end as a result) But for some reason Mike Pompeo and Mike Pence intervened and bullied Trump into choosing this option, much to the Pentagon's chagrin and horror.

                      What's unclear though are the motives of Pompeo and Pence. Pompeo has been floating the idea of a Senate run for the last two months, and today has said he won't do it. Since the assassination, Pence has been unusually active, and has been busy peddling utterly bizarre Soleimani-did-9/11 lies on twitter. So both men seem to be behaving a bit strangely, but I'm not sure what the connection is. Unless Pence and Pompeo are trying to play 3D-chess with regard to using this Iran incident they've engineered to somehow further the impeachment of Trump and get Pence into the presidency with Pompeo as VP... but it's not at all clear to me how that would work. Unless they're going to try and use this incident to focus on Trump's declining mental health???

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        What seems to be leaking out of the administration is that it's standard practice for the Pentagon to offer Presidents a wide range of options in any situation including those that the Pentagon itself considers absurd. Killing Soleimani was apparently one of those implausible options. (6 Pentagon officials have resigned in the last month, so possibly things are not being very well organized at the Pentagon's end as a result) But for some reason Mike Pompeo and Mike Pence intervened and bullied Trump into choosing this option, much to the Pentagon's chagrin and horror.

                        What's unclear though are the motives of Pompeo and Pence. Pompeo has been floating the idea of a Senate run for the last two months, and today has said he won't do it. Since the assassination, Pence has been unusually active, and has been busy peddling utterly bizarre Soleimani-did-9/11 lies on twitter. So both men seem to be behaving a bit strangely, but I'm not sure what the connection is. Unless Pence and Pompeo are trying to play 3D-chess with regard to using this Iran incident they've engineered to somehow further the impeachment of Trump and get Pence into the presidency with Pompeo as VP... but it's not at all clear to me how that would work. Unless they're going to try and use this incident to focus on Trump's declining mental health???
                        That must be some good drugs you’re on.
                        "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                        GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by seer View Post
                          No duh...
                          If that was Soleimani's intent, and the U.S. knew that, then why did they fall for it? It worked in spades.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JimL View Post
                            Interesting. Unfortunately difficult to accept at face value since the Trump Administration can't even seem to get it's own story straight.
                            Jim that was a story from an investigation from Reuters...
                            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              The US media has been lying its people into wars for the last 50 years. Generally the military industrial complex and/or the President's administration provides some 'sources' to discreetly tell the media some lies, and the media breathlessly reports it as gospel truth. Secretive evidence from anonymous sources that wouldn't pass muster in any trial of any common criminal suddenly gets elevated to the status of We Totally Need To Go To War Over This And Kill Hundreds of Thousands of People.

                              Despite all of that history, Seer seems to have his gullibility set to maximum.
                              So Reuters was lying? But let me ask you Star, if the Reuters story and investigation was correct would that justify taking out Soleimani?
                              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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