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  • #31
    Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
    Goldwater did what?! He only won six states - and while he took 69% in Alabama, the areas he lost or performed poorly in are overwhelmingly white while he does much better in areas with large black populations (voter issues may well be at play here).

    This doesn't refute the point - Republicans wouldn't consistently win in the South for another two decades.
    And the six stars he won were:

    Arizona, his home state

    The rest were deep south state, and stronghold of the old Dixiecrat party: Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Arkansas. The white areas which Goldwater did poorly in were the northern counties which historically leaned Republican, and were the base of support for the "post office Republicans"! They were irate over Goldwater's refusal to support the plan to move TVA back to Muscle Shoals and bring jobs and development.

    The tide had started to turn, the civil rights had gained enough momentum among moderates and progressives in both parties. But is was the Democrat politicians who demonstrated the courage to push them radical and progressive idea of rights applied universally. The Democrat party, and the voter support, was split into two camps.

    Voters who supported civil rights had to chose the party, and the candidates, where the push for rights and related issues came from. It was the Dem Party which forced those issues, in spite of the large contingent of racist Dems.

    1948 was a watershed year, the Democrat Hubert Humphrey made the speech at the Democrat convention which split the party. Eleanor Roosevelt became the face of establishment "elitists" in support of civil rights. Truman's push for civil rights eroded support in the election.

    Yes, the irony is that many of the civil rights campaigners were racist, such as LBJ, Truman, etc. But they pushed ahead with a civil rights agenda.
    Last edited by simplicio; 01-12-2020, 04:43 AM.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
      The Dixiecrats were Democrats. Arguably far less prejudiced than their modern Democrat counterparts - at least their policies didn't directly result in the deaths of millions of black babies.
      Not really. Why do you think they called themselves Dixiecrats?
      Better the jackass that tells you to your face that he hates your guts (oddly rare in the actual Dixiecrats) than the slimebag that convinces you to kill your own child.
      It's called pro choice for a reason, Tea. The government, the courts, Roe v Wade, isn't trying to convince anyone to do anything.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
        The Dixiecrats were Democrats. Arguably far less prejudiced than their modern Democrat counterparts - at least their policies didn't directly result in the deaths of millions of black babies.

        Better the jackass that tells you to your face that he hates your guts (oddly rare in the actual Dixiecrats) than the slimebag that convinces you to kill your own child.
        100% correct. Liberal white supremacy is far worse than the racism (at least claimed by the left) of the republican party of the south, because these slimebags do it under the cloak of liberal social justice. It's why you have that bonafide leftist eugenicist (who got caught in blackface) pushing so hard for controversial racial infanticide policies in Virginia because he knows colored babies are disproportionately killed. LBJ, who was another bonafide racist, pushed for programs that arguably increased blacks born out of wedlock and single family households, all of which increased multifold after he had implemented those policies. The latter could have been an unwitting accident... or the fact he was a rabid racist, he knew what he was doing.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by seanD View Post
          100% correct. Liberal white supremacy is far worse than the racism (at least claimed by the left) of the republican party of the south, because these slimebags do it under the cloak of liberal social justice. It's why you have that bonafide leftist eugenicist (who got caught in blackface) pushing so hard for controversial racial infanticide policies in Virginia because he knows colored babies are disproportionately killed. LBJ, who was another bonafide racist, pushed for programs that arguably increased blacks born out of wedlock and single family households, all of which increased multifold after he had implemented those policies. The latter could have been an unwitting accident... or the fact he was a rabid racist, he knew what he was doing.
          No, it isn't 100% correct, that's just the story that those associated with the current day republican party, the home of the racists, the white supremecists, the alt right, the KKK, like to tell themselves.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by JimL View Post
            No, it isn't 100% correct, that's just the story that those associated with the current day republican party, the home of the racists, the white supremecists, the alt right, the KKK, like to tell themselves.
            See, all you have is the typical fake verbal diarrhea. We have the actual verifiable history that you can't refute, so you shout down argumentation with RACIST! NAZI! SEXIST! HOMOPHOBE!

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            • #36
              Originally posted by JimL View Post
              Not really. Why do you think they called themselves Dixiecrats?
              Cutesy version of 'Southern Democrats'. They started as Democrats, became Dixiecrats for a short while and went right back to being Democrats.

              And frankly, this is annoying - if I were still a Democrat it would really tick me off. Rewriting history is a bad plan - truth has a nasty habit of coming out.

              And seriously, most Southerners were never Dixiecrats - just dyed in the wool Democrats until the mid - Eighties.





              It's called pro choice for a reason, Tea. The government, the courts, Roe v Wade, isn't trying to convince anyone to do anything.
              Baloney - PP runs ad campaigns. Media glorifies it (did you not see that horrid clip from the golden globes?). And the left pushes an ever NOT subtle line that the only option for the predictable pregnancy when you convince kids they are supposed to lose their virginity in the backseat of a car while too drunk to legally fish is to have the child forcibly evicted with a shop vac and some tweezers used by the jet lagged loser that couldn't get a job as a real doctor.

              Reality, there are a huge number of girls having their arms twisted by loser boyfriends and/or even bigger loser parents. California tried to make crisis pregnancy centers illegal - eliminating any possibility that the girl might be given real help to make a legitimate choice to let her baby live. Leftists say 'choice' but then fight tooth and nail to prevent real choice from being an option. They won't even allow the poor thing to later admit she made the wrong choice - and even obstruct mental health care for those dealing with the tragedy of that 'choice'.

              In the dumpster lay the remains - what wasn't sold off like meat - of a human being who never got a choice. Most of them are black.

              Bull Connor was a saint in comparison - total (expletive deleted) jackass though he was, he hasn't a fraction of the blood on his hands that the modern Democrats do.

              Preach about racism when you (general) stop supporting the far greater evil of outright murder - mostly of blacks.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by simplicio View Post
                And the six stars he won were:

                Arizona, his home state

                The rest were deep south state, and stronghold of the old Dixiecrat party: Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Arkansas. The white areas which Goldwater did poorly in were the northern counties which historically leaned Republican, and were the base of support for the "post office Republicans"! They were irate over Goldwater's refusal to support the plan to move TVA back to Muscle Shoals and bring jobs and development.

                The tide had started to turn, the civil rights had gained enough momentum among moderates and progressives in both parties. But is was the Democrat politicians who demonstrated the courage to push them radical and progressive idea of rights applied universally. The Democrat party, and the voter support, was split into two camps.

                Voters who supported civil rights had to chose the party, and the candidates, where the push for rights and related issues came from. It was the Dem Party which forced those issues, in spite of the large contingent of racist Dems.

                1948 was a watershed year, the Democrat Hubert Humphrey made the speech at the Democrat convention which split the party. Eleanor Roosevelt became the face of establishment "elitists" in support of civil rights. Truman's push for civil rights eroded support in the election.

                Yes, the irony is that many of the civil rights campaigners were racist, such as LBJ, Truman, etc. But they pushed ahead with a civil rights agenda.
                Yes, I can read Wiki, too. But Goldwater didn't win in a landslide, and in Alabama, the demographics were the opposite of your claim.

                And the South remained solidly Democrat until the mid-Eighties.
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by seanD View Post
                  See, all you have is the typical fake verbal diarrhea. We have the actual verifiable history that you can't refute, so you shout down argumentation with RACIST! NAZI! SEXIST! HOMOPHOBE!
                  No sean, history is not on your side. It's true that the southern democrats, a.k.a dixiecrats, not the republicans, were generally speaking, racists. It was more of geographical issue, than a democrat party issue. In 1964 when the CRA was passed, the dixiecrats, just the southern democrats, filibustered for months against it, but the rest of the democrats, along with all but 6 of the republicans, got it passed and Johnson signed it into law. At the time Johnson said that he feared his party, the democrat party, had, by the passing of that law, lost the south for generations to come. As you can see, he was right.
                  Among those 6 republicans who opposed the bill was Barry Goldwater who then ran for President, and although he lost his bid, he did win most all of the south. The passage of the CRA, just as Johnson predicted, was the beginning of the end of the democrat party in the south. It was at that point that the south went republican, or should I say it was at that point that the republican party went south! Basically they made a deal with the devil, and it's worked well for them politically so far, but history is beginning to catch up with them and they are now using every unethical political tool in their think tank playbook to stem the tide.
                  Last edited by JimL; 01-12-2020, 10:34 PM.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by JimL View Post
                    No sean, history is not on your side. It's true that the southern democrats, a.k.a dixiecrats, not the republicans, were generally speaking, racists. It was more of geographical issue, than a democrat party issue. In 1964 when the CRA was passed, the dixiecrats, just the southern democrats, filibustered for months against it, but the rest of the democrats, along with all but 6 of the republicans, got it passed and Johnson signed it into law. At the time Johnson said that he feared his party, the democrat party, had, by the passing of that law, lost the south for generations to come. As you can see, he was right.
                    Among those 6 republicans who opposed the bill was Barry Goldwater who then ran for President, and although he lost his bid, he did win most all of the south. The passage of the CRA, just as Johnson predicted, was the beginning of the end of the democrat party in the south. It was at that point that the south went republican, or should I say it was at that point that the republican party went south! Basically they made a deal with the devil, and it's worked well for them politically so far, but history is beginning to catch up with them and they are now using every unethical political tool in their think tank playbook to stem the tide.
                    What does CRA have anything to do with the previous discussion? And no offense, Jim, but considering your past propensity to post things that aren't factual, I doubt any of that is accurate.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by seanD View Post
                      What does CRA have anything to do with the previous discussion? And no offense, Jim, but considering your past propensity to post things that aren't factual, I doubt any of that is accurate.
                      He thinks the South started voting Republican in the 1960's - and yes, I've explained otherwise, both patiently and not at all patiently. He wants desperately to believe the True Democrats TM were never the racist dogs he knows darn well they were... and are. Somehow, if the South was always Republican (history screams otherwise) then his beloved Democrats were never racists and all is right with the world.

                      He's not this nuts when Trump isn't president - thus far, spiking his coffee with lithium isn't helping...
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                        Yes, I can read Wiki, too. But Goldwater didn't win in a landslide, and in Alabama, the demographics were the opposite of your claim.

                        And the South remained solidly Democrat until the mid-Eighties.
                        Might want to visit Alabama some time.

                        The south remained solidly Democrat, but the interests of the southern white voter had diverged from the emphasis of the Dem party. The Dems had betrayed the southern ideals of states' rights as supreme, it had fallen in with integration, it had a small but solid progressive wing. And it had the support of the NAACP. And black voters.

                        The Dems ran campaign ads in the south on Johnson's record on civil rights in the north. The Republican ran campaign ads on Johnson's civil rights record.......in the deep south.

                        Goldwater won by a landslide in Alabama, and especially in Mississippi. John Connelly predicted that the only states Goldwater would capture is Alabama and Mississippi. He forgot about South Carolina and Georgia. (I incorrectly wrote Arkansas, I should have checked wiki ).

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                          Cutesy version of 'Southern Democrats'. They started as Democrats, became Dixiecrats for a short while and went right back to being Democrats.

                          And frankly, this is annoying - if I were still a Democrat it would really tick me off. Rewriting history is a bad plan - truth has a nasty habit of coming out.

                          And seriously, most Southerners were never Dixiecrats - just dyed in the wool Democrats until the mid - Eighties.



                          Baloney - PP runs ad campaigns. Media glorifies it (did you not see that horrid clip from the golden globes?). And the left pushes an ever NOT subtle line that the only option for the predictable pregnancy when you convince kids they are supposed to lose their virginity in the backseat of a car while too drunk to legally fish is to have the child forcibly evicted with a shop vac and some tweezers used by the jet lagged loser that couldn't get a job as a real doctor.

                          Reality, there are a huge number of girls having their arms twisted by loser boyfriends and/or even bigger loser parents. California tried to make crisis pregnancy centers illegal - eliminating any possibility that the girl might be given real help to make a legitimate choice to let her baby live. Leftists say 'choice' but then fight tooth and nail to prevent real choice from being an option. They won't even allow the poor thing to later admit she made the wrong choice - and even obstruct mental health care for those dealing with the tragedy of that 'choice'.

                          In the dumpster lay the remains - what wasn't sold off like meat - of a human being who never got a choice. Most of them are black.

                          Bull Connor was a saint in comparison - total (expletive deleted) jackass though he was, he hasn't a fraction of the blood on his hands that the modern Democrats do.

                          Preach about racism when you (general) stop supporting the far greater evil of outright murder - mostly of blacks.
                          Most southerners were never Dixiecrats because the Dixiecrats never attempted to organize a party system. It never had anyone on local ballots. It was over the issue of Dem support for civil rights, and would have moved its support to the Republicans if they had fielded a candidate which had stood firm on segregation. Dewey and Eisenhower did not.

                          Truth may have a habit of coming out, but there always will be people reject the truth, preferring the more comfortable illusions.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by simplicio View Post
                            Might want to visit Alabama some time.
                            No need to do anything foolish

                            I'm always still in trouble again

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                            • #44
                              I don't think in Alabama is racist, it never has been. George Wallace stated that he was not a racist, and numerous evangelicals noted that Wallace was not racist. He just thought desegregation violated the subsidiarity prerogative of the local electorate. Other than that, Wallace would have gladly removed the barriers to integration. He made a stand for fiscal responsibility when he proposed to turn away federal HEW funds.

                              The poor white Alabamans, laboring under the heavy yoke of Democratic Party tyranny, forced to accept all those racial policies against their will. Only when they voted Republican could they truly say "Free at last, free at last, thank God almighty we are free at last"

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                              • #45
                                All sarcasm aside, you do know that historians and biographers tend to believe that Wallace was not racist but did what he thought was necessary to hold onto power.



                                And I'm sure that it is just a coincidence that at the same time that the Democrats lost their stranglehold on the South that the region began to prosper economically.

                                I'm always still in trouble again

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