Ohmar, Lee, Kaine, announce war powers resolution to prevent war with Iran

[rogue06]

Since the United States carried out an airstrike last week that killed Iranian terrorist Qasem Soleimani, Democrats have repeatedly taken issue with the fact that the Trump administration didn't ask for Congressional approval. President Barack Obama's Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Jeh Johnson completely debunked that notion during a Sunday morning interview with MSNBC's Chuck Todd on "Meet the Press."

"If you believe everything our government is saying about General Soleimani, he was a lawful military objective and the president, under his Constitutional authority as commander-in-chief, had ample domestic legal authority to take him out without additional Congressional authorization," Johnson explained. "Whether he was a terrorist or a general in a military force that was engaged in armed attacks against our people, he was a lawful military objective."

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethba...lling-n2558967

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[rogue06]

Translation: "I'm not a constitutional scholar; I just play one on the internet."

In fact, the Constitution gives the President of the United States the authority to use military action without informing Congress and without formally declaring war. Just because the Democrats call it "an act of war" because one of their terrorist buddies was taken out doesn't make it so.

https://thefederalist.com/2017/05/04...king-congress/

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[DivineOb]

I often get the impression that liberals aren't afraid Trump will start a war, they're hopeful that he will.

Totally uncalled for. Shame on you.

[lilpixieofterror]

I noted recently that this all sounds very familiar with similar complaints when Trump started negotiating with North Korea

I linked to Starlight’s freak out in 2017 too. Same pattern:

“Trump is trying to start WWIII!!!!”

To when war didn’t materialize, but peace overtones started:

“Trump is cozying up to brutal dictators because he wants to be one!”

TDS seems to be worse than brain cancer, Alzheimers, or dementia, at rotting the reason centers of the brain.

[Cow Poke]

Despite your freak out, it’s highly doubtful Iran will engage in an all out war with the US.

Iran has been at war with the US since the US Embassy hostage situation in 1979. They've just been doing it by proxy.

By the way, in one of the very RARE instances of me citing a certain objectionable cite...

Flashback: Obama Sanctioned Soleimani for Attempted Terror Attack in Washington, DC

Qassem Soleimani, the Iranian general killed by U.S. forces at the direction of President Donald Trump on Thursday evening, was sanctioned by the Obama administration in 2011 for his role in a foiled terror attack on Washington, DC.

Soleimani, leader of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) Quds force, helped plot the attack on a popular restaurant in the nation’s capital, where the target was to be the Saudi ambassador to the U.S.

As the U.S. Treasury explained in announcing the sanctions against Soleimani and four others in 2011:

The U.S. Department of the Treasury today announced the designation of five individuals, including four senior Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps-Qods Force (IRGC-QF) officers connected to a plot to assassinate the Saudi Arabian Ambassador to the United States Adel Al-Jubeir, while he was in the United States and to carry out follow-on attacks against other countries’ interests inside the United States and in another country. As part of today’s action, Treasury also designated the individual responsible for arranging the assassination plot on behalf of the IRGC-QF.

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As IRGC-QF Commander, Qasem Soleimani oversees the IRGC-QF officers who were involved in this plot. Soleimani was previously designated by the Treasury Department under E.O. 13382 based on his relationship to the IRGC. He was also designated in May 2011 pursuant to E.O. 13572, which targets human rights abuses in Syria, for his role as the Commander of the IRGC-QF, the primary conduit for Iran’s support to the Syrian General Intelligence Directorate (GID).

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The IRGC-QF is the Government of Iran’s primary foreign action arm for executing its policy of supporting terrorist organizations and extremist groups around the world. The IRGC-QF provides training, logistical assistance and material and financial support to militants and terrorist operatives, including the Taliban, Lebanese Hizballah, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command.

IRGC-QF officers and their associates have supported attacks against U.S. and allied troops and diplomatic missions in Iraq and Afghanistan. The IRGC-QF continues to train, equip and fund Iraqi Shia militant groups – such as Kata’ib and Hizballah – and elements of the Taliban in Afghanistan to prevent an increase in Western influence in the region. In the Levant, the IRGC-QF supports terrorist groups such as Lebanese Hizballah and Hamas, which it views as integral to its efforts to challenge U.S. influence in the Middle East.

Under Obama’s nuclear deal with Iran, Soleimani was to be removed from international sanctions after eight years, though then-Secretary of State John Kerry promised that sanctions against Soleimani would be in place “forever.”

[seer]

Soleimani, leader of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) Quds force, helped plot the attack on a popular restaurant in the nation’s capital, where the target was to be the Saudi ambassador to the U.S.

I forgot about this, that alone is enough justification to take him out...

[Cow Poke]

I forgot about this, that alone is enough justification to take him out...

Yet he felt totally free to fly all over the middle east setting up and equipping militias to fight against us, and flew into Baghdad Airport like a visiting diplomat...

And, somebody (Rouge?) had mentioned earlier that the Saudis would probably be supportive if this action, even if they don't do it publicly, because their ambassador was on Soleimani's hit list.

Perhaps we should have allowed Soleimani to kill this ambassador in DC, along with whatever collateral US citizens, and THEN hunt him down?

And I love how the liberals are backed into saying, "yes, Soleimani was a bad bad buy, BUT....."

[Mountain Man]

Iran has been at war with the US since the US Embassy hostage situation in 1979. They've just been doing it by proxy.

By the way, in one of the very RARE instances of me citing a certain objectionable cite...

Flashback: Obama Sanctioned Soleimani for Attempted Terror Attack in Washington, DC

Qassem Soleimani, the Iranian general killed by U.S. forces at the direction of President Donald Trump on Thursday evening, was sanctioned by the Obama administration in 2011 for his role in a foiled terror attack on Washington, DC.

Soleimani, leader of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) Quds force, helped plot the attack on a popular restaurant in the nation’s capital, where the target was to be the Saudi ambassador to the U.S.

As the U.S. Treasury explained in announcing the sanctions against Soleimani and four others in 2011:

The U.S. Department of the Treasury today announced the designation of five individuals, including four senior Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps-Qods Force (IRGC-QF) officers connected to a plot to assassinate the Saudi Arabian Ambassador to the United States Adel Al-Jubeir, while he was in the United States and to carry out follow-on attacks against other countries’ interests inside the United States and in another country. As part of today’s action, Treasury also designated the individual responsible for arranging the assassination plot on behalf of the IRGC-QF.

…

As IRGC-QF Commander, Qasem Soleimani oversees the IRGC-QF officers who were involved in this plot. Soleimani was previously designated by the Treasury Department under E.O. 13382 based on his relationship to the IRGC. He was also designated in May 2011 pursuant to E.O. 13572, which targets human rights abuses in Syria, for his role as the Commander of the IRGC-QF, the primary conduit for Iran’s support to the Syrian General Intelligence Directorate (GID).

…

The IRGC-QF is the Government of Iran’s primary foreign action arm for executing its policy of supporting terrorist organizations and extremist groups around the world. The IRGC-QF provides training, logistical assistance and material and financial support to militants and terrorist operatives, including the Taliban, Lebanese Hizballah, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command.

IRGC-QF officers and their associates have supported attacks against U.S. and allied troops and diplomatic missions in Iraq and Afghanistan. The IRGC-QF continues to train, equip and fund Iraqi Shia militant groups – such as Kata’ib and Hizballah – and elements of the Taliban in Afghanistan to prevent an increase in Western influence in the region. In the Levant, the IRGC-QF supports terrorist groups such as Lebanese Hizballah and Hamas, which it views as integral to its efforts to challenge U.S. influence in the Middle East.

Under Obama’s nuclear deal with Iran, Soleimani was to be removed from international sanctions after eight years, though then-Secretary of State John Kerry promised that sanctions against Soleimani would be in place “forever.”

Curiously, Obama undermined an Israeli plan to take out Soleimani in 2015 by warning Iran of Israel's intentions.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethba...tion-n2558943/

[oxmixmudd]

Despite your freak out

Freak out? To read that post and think I'm freaking out pretty much means you are the one 'freaking out'

[Cow Poke]

Curiously, Obama undermined an Israeli plan to take out Soleimani in 2015 by warning Iran of Israel's intentions.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethba...tion-n2558943/

And the Democrats wonder why Trump didn't consult them first?

[lilpixieofterror]

Freak out? To read that post and think I'm freaking out pretty much means you are the one 'freaking out'

Hardly because this will likely turn out the same way it did with NK:

1. Liberals will freak out, declaring WWIII is coming.

It will not come, but maybe peace talks might start which will lead to:

“Trump loves dictators!!!”

Or business as usual which will lead to:

“Trump is being too soft on Iran!!!”

And you can move onto the next issue you can be outraged about.

[rogue06]

And the Democrats wonder why Trump didn't consult them first?

Reinforcing the following:

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[Mountain Man]

Lindsay Graham, who was a military lawyer for 33-years, says:

"AOC doesn’t know anything about the law of armed conflict, obviously. Every commander in chief has the right to defend our people on the battlefield.

"In AOC’s world, I guess we're supposed to sit back and watch a bunch of Americans get killed. We’re not the bad guys. The Iranians are the bad guys and if you don’t see that, you’ve missed a lot in the last 40 years."

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortne...-guys-n2558993

[Starlight]

and flew into Baghdad Airport like a visiting diplomat...

He was visiting as a diplomat. He had a scheduled diplomatic meeting that morning with the Iraqi Prime Minister, who says the topic of the meeting was to be Saudi proposal to de-escalate tensions in the region. That's why everyone knew where this guy would be and when (it was published in the NYT before the attack that he was going to be flying into the airport that day).

That's one reason the Iraqis are so pissed about this, because you nutters assassinated a visiting diplomat who they'd scheduled to be there to meet with them to do peace talks. The next time they try to invite someone to come do peace talks with them, that person is likely to refuse because of this incident, and that's not Iraq's fault, so they're rightly annoyed.

And BTW Trump made it clear that he does not want war with Iran....

His actions speak louder than your words.

I often get the impression that liberals aren't afraid Trump will start a war, they're hopeful that he will.

Do you just write whatever you think is the craziest possible thing to say?

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No credit to the military personnel who actually carried out the strike huh? I thought you guys liked to thump your chests and pretend to be pro-military? Seems to me you just like getting them killed by advocating for endless wars for them to die in.

Instead of attributing success to a competent military and brave personnel you attribute success to breaking the law. Trump is legally required to inform congress of such actions. Guess you're not for rule of law either huh? It's kinda sad how few principles you guys have and how many of your pretend ones you gleefully sacrifice in order to kill a few more people. It's hilarious you actually believe you are Christians.

[DivineOb]

I noted recently that this all sounds very familiar with similar complaints when Trump started negotiating with North Korea

Would you characterize North Korea's weapons potential as increased, decreased, or the same compared to when Trump started negotiating with them?