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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThe discussion was about Charlottesville and false claims that Trump called Neo-Nazis "very l fine people" and Sam's ridiculous insistence that there is no distinction between peaceful protestors and those itching for a fight. You suggest Jaecp has firsthand knowledge, but he wasn't at Charlottesville to the best of my knowledge, so...Last edited by oxmixmudd; 01-08-2020, 05:55 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostNo, the sub thread that this conversation revolves around is a general discussion of how antifa behaves and if they vs right wing groups tend to be the cause of violence at demonstrations where both are present. And jaecp has first hand evidence that contradicts the breitbart etc party line on that issue. And that first hand evidence is being trashed in lieu of what is being disseminated by clearly biased sources.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostNo, the sub thread that this conversation revolves around is a general discussion of how antifa behaves and if they vs right wing groups tend to be the cause of violence at demonstrations where both are present. And jaecp has first hand evidence that contradicts the breitbart etc party line on that issue. And that first hand evidence is being trashed in lieu of what is being disseminated by clearly biased sources."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostAKA Jaecp tells you what you want to hear, so it’s true! Every last Antifa member, coast to coast, is non violent because Jaecp claims the ones he met were not. Well that settles it, we have to ignore video evidence and eyewitness accounts of Antifa members beating up people, assaulting people, and damaging property because of the claims of a single person, in a single city.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt's not for nothing that they've been deemed a terrorist organization by our government."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostAKA Jaecp tells you what you want to hear, so it’s true! Every last Antifa member, coast to coast, is non violent because Jaecp claims the ones he met were not. Well that settles it, we have to ignore video evidence and eyewitness accounts of Antifa members beating up people, assaulting people, and damaging property because of the claims of a single person, in a single city.
That question should be being asked, and you should be trying to determine its answer. Both of you are thinking in very tribal, irrational ways on this. Instead we should be looking at what he knows and if that is representative ofca larger misrepresentation of this group.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostNo pix, MM. You are summarily ignoring his experience as it is expressed here without looking into his claims. Without doing some legwork to find out if he has a valid point. That was my point in asking if it ever occurred to you that your biased sources might be misleading you.
That question should be being asked, and you should be trying to determine its answer. Both of you are thinking in very tribal, irrational ways on this. Instead we should be looking at what he knows and if that is representative ofca larger misrepresentation of this group."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostSorry Jim, but there is video, photo, and eyewitness evidence showing Antifa members engaging in violent behavior. Shove those fingers in your ears and scream all you want, Jaecp is one person talking about a movement with thousands of people, from coast to coast. Even assuming he is telling the truth and is unbiased doesn’t make that evidence go away. Violent and non violent people exist in all movements. It’s quite funny how you want to hand wave away anything critical while wanting others to take Jaecp at his word . You’re as biased as can be and too blinded by your TDS to notice or care.
jaecp is offering a different view of antifa, based on his experience. You are correct in that it is quite possible his experience does not necessarily account for the whole. And yet, if antifa is what the breitbarts of the world claim it is (and you,MM as their proxy), he should not be able to truthfully own the opinion he is expressing. What that means, as is so often true, is that there may well be a better accounting of what antifa is.
I found this on the ADL (Anti-Defamation-league) website on antifa. And this text presents an accounting of antifa that could account for both points of view:
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgr...who-are-antifa
One of the things the ADL website points out is that antifa is based on the idea that if a more aggressive push back against Nazi related activities in Germany had existed, fascism would not have been able to take hold.
But - ADL rightly points out:
If you read their summary more completely, Jaecp's experience with them may well be more the norm, with violent outbreaks due to their embracement of the potential good of violence to stop greater violence more towards the abnormal, or possibly the exaggeration by the more violent white supremacists and fascist leaning sources.
I am a supporter of MLK's non-violence credo. I could never support any group that embraces violence as part of its expression of its ideas. Nevertheless, I think the ADL summary looks to be a far more balanced assessment than the wild-eyed defamatory posts you two have conjured up in the last two pages.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 01-08-2020, 07:25 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostCan you for 5 seconds put a hold on your judgmental, hyper critical, over the top mouth and just listen before you mouth off? You spend every friggin day on this site jumping to conclusions and bashing anyone that so much as offers an alternate opinion.
jaecp is offering a different view of antifa, based on his experience. You are correct in that it is quite possible his experience does not necessarily account for the whole. And yet, if antifa is what the breitbarts of the world claim it is (and you,MM as their proxy), he should not be able to truthfully own the opinion he is expressing. What that means, as is so often true, is that there may well be a better accounting of what antifa is.
I found this on the ADL (Anti-Defamation-league) website on antifa. And this text presents an accounting of antifa that could account for both points of view:
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgr...who-are-antifa
One of the things the ADL website points out is that antifa is based on the idea that if a more aggressive push back against Nazi related activities in Germany had existed, fascism would not have been able to take hold.
But - ADL rightly points out:
If you read their summary more completely, Jaecp's experience with them may well be more the norm, with violent outbreaks due to their embracement of the potential good of violence to stop greater violence more towards the abnormal, or possibly the exaggeration by the more violent white supremacists and fascist leaning sources.
I am a supporter of MLK's non-violence credo. I could never support any group that embraces violence as part of its expression of its ideas. nevertheless, I think the ADL summary looks to be a far more balanced assessment that the wild-eyed defamatory posts you two have conjured up in the last two pages.
“ Violent and non violent people exist in all movements.”
It’s right there, in black and white.
So are you stupid or a liar?
There assumption is also flawed because the Nazi’s used lots of violence against their opponents and would have merely sent in the brown shirts or SS to take care of the problem. If it met murdering the entire lot and covering it up, so be it. The Nazi’s would have merely killed members of Antifa and harassed them until they ran into hiding, just as they did with other groups. Their assumption is built on a pre school understanding on the rise of Nazi Germany.Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 01-08-2020, 07:28 AM."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostIronic that the king of mouthing off and attacking anyone that isn’t on their hands and knees, agreeing with everything he says, is ‘mouthing off’. You’re the emperor wearing no cloths Jim, you mouth off all the time and jump to insane conclusions to support your stupid belief that Trump is the most evil man that had ever existed and anyone that doesn’t agree with that opinion is attacked, belittled, and treated like trash. You’re wearing no cloths, Mr Emperor, when will you acknowledge that you’re not.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostPix, my worst day does not exceed your normal one in terms of the degrading, defamatory comments that flow so freely from you."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostThat’s a lie Jim and I will call you a liar for it right now. Quote me where I said that at all or admit you made it up in order to justify your attacks, Mr Emperor or are you just plain too stupid to read plain English? What I have actually said, is that there is zero reason to take the accounts of a single person, in a single city, as an example of the whole. There is video, photographic, and eyewitness evidence attesting that Antifa members have engaged in acts of violence. Why do we ignore this and instead need to accept the word of a single person? Is it because he agrees with what you think or is your TDS so terrible that you’re incapable of seeing that your opponents don’t think everyone, on the left, is violent and insane? Both movements have their violent and non violent parts. I can more than admit this, can you?
Originally posted by oxmixmuddjaecp is offering a different view of antifa, based on his experience. You are correct in that it is quite possible his experience does not necessarily account for the whole. And yet, if antifa is what the breitbarts of the world claim it is (and you,MM as their proxy), he should not be able to truthfully own the opinion he is expressing. What that means, as is so often true, is that there may well be a better accounting of what antifa is.
AS far as I can tell you are in violation of forum policy here. Not only haven't you clearly defined what it is I'm supposed to have lied about, you have not justified that accusation either. You've just called me a liar free an clear.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 01-08-2020, 07:35 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostQuote me where I said every last one of them is violentMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post"What" is a lie pix. This is the segment you are replying to:
What have I said in that quote that is a lie pix? If you can't even point out what it is that is a lie, and then justify that claim, they you have accused me of lying against forum policy.
“... if antifa is what the breitbarts of the world claim it is (and you,MM as their proxy), he should not be able to truthfully own the opinion he is expressing.”
I’ll highlight the relevant part:
Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostSorry Jim, but there is video, photo, and eyewitness evidence showing Antifa members engaging in violent behavior. Shove those fingers in your ears and scream all you want, Jaecp is one person talking about a movement with thousands of people, from coast to coast. Even assuming he is telling the truth and is unbiased doesn’t make that evidence go away. Violent and non violent people exist in all movements. It’s quite funny how you want to hand wave away anything critical while wanting others to take Jaecp at his word . You’re as biased as can be and too blinded by your TDS to notice or care.
1. Are you lying about what I said?
2. Are you too stupid to read what I said?
3. Or did you not bother to read what I said carefully (or at all) and merely assumed I said what you accused me of saying?"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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