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Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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“I don’t take a position,” she said. “It’s really important for me to treat it as a question that can go either way. I think that might be surprising to a reader, because today talking about the legality of secession seems so far-fetched, but I want to introduce them to the arguments on both sides. And there wasn’t a clear answer one way or another. This is a place where the Constitution is silent.”
- Cynthia Nicoletti, who earned her J.D. from Harvard Law School, also holds a B.A., M.A. and Ph.D. from the University of Virginia.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Concerning the separation of Czech Republic and Slovakia
Last edited by shunyadragon; 01-13-2020, 07:09 PM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post“I don’t take a position,” she said. “It’s really important for me to treat it as a question that can go either way. I think that might be surprising to a reader, because today talking about the legality of secession seems so far-fetched, but I want to introduce them to the arguments on both sides. And there wasn’t a clear answer one way or another. This is a place where the Constitution is silent.”
- Cynthia Nicoletti, who earned her J.D. from Harvard Law School, also holds a B.A., M.A. and Ph.D. from the University of Virginia."Actually, yes we are. The Confederate States of America was a separate nation once they seceded from the USA. Secession was not illegal until after the Civil War began."
Your backing away from your original position, but it is a fact of history and International Law that secession is illegal unless both parties are in an agreement.
The Confederate Battle flag of Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia is indeed a symbol of illegal Confederate secession and carried into battle in front of his troops from 1861 to 1865.Last edited by shunyadragon; 01-13-2020, 07:22 PM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostBy doing nothing for 10 months, the North tacitly agreed.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostYour backing away from your original position,
but it is a fact of history and International Law that secession is illegal unless both parties are in an agreement.
False. Eritrea, Bangladesh, South Sudan, Panama, Bangladesh, and a host of other nations seceded without permission, and had to fight to maintain their independence.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostNo I am not. The Constitution was silent on it. So until it was decided, it was legal.
Your failing to respond to my references, back taking the hard line you had before.
In come countries, which are federal confederations there is a provision for secession, but not in the US Constitution. This the legal way to secede.
False. Eritrea, Bangladesh, South Sudan, Panama, Bangladesh, and a host of other nations seceded without permission, and had to fight to maintain their independence.[/QUOTE]
That did not make it legal by international law.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostNo I am not. The Constitution was silent on it. So until it was decided, it was legal.
Your failing to respond to my references, and now back taking the hard line you had before.
In some countries, which are federal confederations there is a provision for secession, but not in the US Constitution. This the legal way to secede.
False. Eritrea, Bangladesh, South Sudan, Panama, Bangladesh, and a host of other nations seceded without permission, and had to fight to maintain their independence.Last edited by shunyadragon; 01-13-2020, 07:34 PM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostYour failing to respond to my references, back taking the hard line you had before.
In some countries, which are federal confederations there is a provision for secession, but not in the US Constitution. This the legal way to secede.
That did not make it legal by international law.
The secession of Panama from Columbia was forced by the USA, and not legal by international law.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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[QUOTE=Bill the Cat;701984]Because you are obviously ignorant on how our legal system works. When the Constitution is silent on a matter, it can not be said to be illegal or unconstitutional until the Judicial Branch rules it so.
And the ones I listed seceded via bloodshed.
International Law is only binding due to treaties and standards. Again, irrelevant to those nations I listed.
No it wasn't. The US did not force the Panamanians to rebel.
Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostBecause you are obviously ignorant on how our legal system works. When the Constitution is silent on a matter, it can not be said to be illegal or unconstitutional until the Judicial Branch rules it so.
And the ones I listed seceded via bloodshed.
International Law is only binding due to treaties and standards. Again, irrelevant to those nations I listed.
As cited the United States forced the secession of Panama from Colombia by the threat of force of arms.Last edited by shunyadragon; 01-14-2020, 05:45 PM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI cited the International Law and legal position.
It did not have to be in a treaty nor whether the judicial branch says it is. In fact the judicial branch of the government has no say in international law. Being achieved by bloodshed only translates to achieved by bloodshed and does not make it legal by international law.
By the Oxford reference I cited this is absolutely false.
Disfavors is not "illegal", Frank.
You have cited nothing, but opinion.
As cited the United States forced the secession of Panama from Colombia by the threat of force of arms.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostInternational Law is only binding if the nations agree to it.
And International Law does not trump a sovereign nation's judiciary unless it lets them. That's a fact you lefties just don't get.
The "Oxford reference" states pretty bluntly… "Second, even though secession is not “prohibited,” international law disfavors it and creates a presumption against its effectiveness and in favor of the territorial integrity of the parent state."
Disfavors is not "illegal", Frank.
And your cite doesn't even support your "secession is illegal" nonsense.
No they didn't. The Panamanians were goaded into it by an French and American OWNED COMPANY, not the US. Reading is fundamental.
Not a coherent response. Keep flying your Confederate flag with pride.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe warship was a US warship. You have not responded to the sources cited, nor have you cited anything but your opinion.
Not a coherent response. Keep flying your Confederate flag with pride.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostI cited a History Professor from UVA and YOUR OWN SOURCE!!! You incompetent boob
What part of "my people fought for the Union" are you failing to translate from my English into your moron?Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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