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False Idol — Why the Christian Right Worships Donald Trump

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  • False Idol — Why the Christian Right Worships Donald Trump

    Very interesting article: False Idol — Why the Christian Right Worships Donald Trump

    It is rather long, so I would suggest you read all of it. It as based on the experience of someone who, like myself, grew up in a Chrstian family and is now seeing some of the basic values of the church contradicted by the church itself.

    Throughout it all, Trump was not positioning himself as a true believer — “You know, I went to Sunday school,” he said with a shrug — but rather as a strongman, the likes of which the religious right had never seen. “Liberals are being the bullies here,” the Heritage FoundationÂ’s Anderson told him at one point. “If there is a culture war in the United States, conservatives aren’t the aggressors, liberals are waging a culture war. They are trying to impose their liberal values.” Trump assured the group that, in his presidency, liberal oppression would end. “Many of these things, I would say 80 percent of them, will be done immediately,” he promised. “I can tell you, you have my support.”
    And as history will certainly tell and has already told nothing could be further from the truth than what Jeffress said:

    In Jeffress' final argument, he reminded everyone — in apocalyptic terms — what that support would mean. “What I want to say in closing is this election is not a battle between Republicans and Democrats. It’s a battle between good and evil, light and darkness, righteousness and unrighteousness. . . . This is the last chance we have, I’m convinced, as a country to turn this country around.”
    And a shocking number of facts are given:

    Today, 82 percent of white evangelicals would cast their ballots for Trump. Two-thirds believe that he has not damaged the decency of the presidency, 55 percent agree with Sarah Huckabee Sanders that “God wanted him to be president,” and 99 percent oppose impeachment.
    Politics is a transactional game, and presidents don’t need to be moral to be effective. While much has been made of the hypocrisy of Trump's Christian supporters, these “values voters” who’d once gone apoplectic over Bill Clinton’s indiscretions and now capitulated to the most immoral president in living memory, the meeting at Trump Tower shows the logical framing of the argument that would lead a certain type of Christian to vote for Trump. “I don’t think Trump changed after that meeting,” Jeffress tells Rolling Stone. “But I know some of those in the room did. Never, never have evangelicals had the access to the president that they have under President Trump.”
    And it reminds me of how many twebbers treat good old Ox when I read this:

    “There’s now this mob,” he says with a sigh. “If you criticize Trump, they will come after you.”
    And it feels like the tweb-home when you read this:

    In other words, for the God-fearing evangelical, gay marriage, abortion, and the evils of socialism — as opposed to racial injustice, family separation, or income inequality — put America squarely in the path of the wrath of God.
    “I find the term ‘Christian right’ highly objectionable because I don’t think there’s anything Christian about it, frankly,” says religion historian Balmer.
    Last edited by Charles; 12-06-2019, 02:46 PM.
    "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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    I voted for the President, not the Pope.

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    • #3
      I don't worship Donald Trump.
      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
      Than a fool in the eyes of God


      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
        I don't worship Donald Trump.
        Me neither. Heck I don't even LIKE him as a person. I have no idea if or what kind of Christian he is. But he does stand for conservative values which align pretty well with Christian values. And the economy is doing good. My retirement fund has grown at least 30% since he took office and unemployment is way down.

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        • #5
          Also, the liberals treated Obama like he was the Messiah too.




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          • #6
            I guess getting "attacked" online is better than actually getting physically attacked in the real world just for wearing a MAGA hat.
            "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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            • #7
              Charles,
              I'm sorry you had a bad experience or interpretation of Christianity when growing up.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Charles View Post
                And a shocking number of facts are given:

                Today, 82 percent of white evangelicals would cast their ballots for Trump. Two-thirds believe that he has not damaged the decency of the presidency, 55 percent agree with Sarah Huckabee Sanders that “God wanted him to be president,” and 99 percent oppose impeachment.
                You'd likely find the same numbers for other previous presidents because it's a very short step from "it's God's will" to "God wanted this" for many people.

                I'm always still in trouble again

                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                  Also, the liberals treated Obama like he was the Messiah too.



                  I've posted a couple things on that which included the above magazines covers.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • #10
                    So, it seems, basically, some of you are back on the whataboutism track again and fail to see how that only strengthens the points in the opening post.
                    "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Charles View Post
                      So, it seems, basically, some of you are back on the whataboutism track again and fail to see how that only strengthens the points in the opening post.
                      Sorry. I didn't see anything of substance. You're response here has left me more confused what your point of discussion is about.

                      Maybe there was something other than liberal disdain for Christians that was mentioned somewhere?
                      Last edited by mikewhitney; 12-06-2019, 03:52 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Charles View Post
                        So, it seems, basically, some of you are back on the whataboutism track again and fail to see how that only strengthens the points in the opening post.
                        No Charles, no Christian here worships Trump. Who should we have voted for - Hillary? Second, Trump did exactly what I voted for Him to do - 145 originalist judges on the lower federal courts and two on the Supreme court. The courts were my main concern.
                        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Charles View Post
                          So, it seems, basically, some of you are back on the whataboutism track again and fail to see how that only strengthens the points in the opening post.
                          Actually, no one thinks Trump is being worshiped. You're confusing this with political tribalism, and it's occurring on both sides. However, though political debates have become heated, I don't recall any critics of Trump actually getting physically attacked in the streets like Trump supporters have. When that happens, then maybe a thread about it would be necessary.
                          "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                            Me neither. Heck I don't even LIKE him as a person. I have no idea if or what kind of Christian he is. But he does stand for conservative values which align pretty well with Christian values. And the economy is doing good. My retirement fund has grown at least 30% since he took office and unemployment is way down.
                            I can hardly listen to him make a speech. There is something about him that grates on my nerves -- even back in the days when he was making Pizza Hut commercials. Still, he's a lot more bearable than even one hideous Hillary cackle smiley shudder.gif.

                            I'm always still in trouble again

                            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                              Sorry. I didn't see anything of substance. You're response here has left me more confused what your point of discussion is about.

                              Maybe there was something other than liberal disdain for Christians that was mentioned somewhere?
                              Don't confuse "Christians" with the "Christian right". You missed that point in the opening post and thus you fail to adress the actual point.
                              "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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