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  • Graham Admits Ukraine Election Meddling Hoax

    There are few apologias more ridiculous than Trump saying Ukraine, not Russia, tampered with US election. Russia has a vested interest in weakening the US, while Ukraine, who has been the recipient of our aid, does not. The evidence for this is well documented and overwhelming, yet Trump allowed his goons to engage in creating a literal conspiracy theory that Ukraine was behind the meddling.

    Lindsey Graham has contradicted Trump on this at long last:

    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...nt-ukraine?amp

  • #2
    Originally posted by whag View Post
    There are few apologias more ridiculous than Trump saying Ukraine, not Russia, tampered with US election. Russia has a vested interest in weakening the US, while Ukraine, who has been the recipient of our aid, does not. The evidence for this is well documented and overwhelming, yet Trump allowed his goons to engage in creating a literal conspiracy theory that Ukraine was behind the meddling.

    Lindsey Graham has contradicted Trump on this at long last:

    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...nt-ukraine?amp
    So much for the theory that Graham is investigating Biden because he's being fooled by Russian propaganda.
    "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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    • #3
      Originally posted by seanD View Post
      So much for the theory that Graham is investigating Biden because he's being fooled by Russian propaganda.
      That sounds far less widespread than POTUS promulgating Ukraine election meddling conspiracy at his rallies and in his tweets.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by whag View Post
        There are few apologias more ridiculous than Trump saying Ukraine, not Russia, tampered with US election. Russia has a vested interest in weakening the US, while Ukraine, who has been the recipient of our aid, does not. The evidence for this is well documented and overwhelming, yet Trump allowed his goons to engage in creating a literal conspiracy theory that Ukraine was behind the meddling.

        Lindsey Graham has contradicted Trump on this at long last:

        https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...nt-ukraine?amp
        It wasn't just about Crowdstrike:

        Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

        Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton.


        https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...ackfire-233446

        A NY Times reporter dug into Ukraine and the Democrats. Critics are still howling.

        https://www.stripes.com/news/us/a-ny...wling-1.607600
        Last edited by seer; 12-05-2019, 06:56 PM.
        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by seer View Post
          It wasn't just about Crowdstrike:

          Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

          Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton.


          https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...ackfire-233446

          A NY Times reporter dug into Ukraine and the Democrats. Critics are still howling.

          https://www.stripes.com/news/us/a-ny...wling-1.607600
          Hmmm, I guess we should start impeachment hearings against President Chalupa for abuse of power.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by JimL View Post
            Hmmm, I guess we should start impeachment hearings against President Chalupa for abuse of power.
            So you had no problem with the Ukraine helping Clinton.

            A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.

            The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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            • #7
              Originally posted by seer View Post
              So you had no problem with the Ukraine helping Clinton.

              A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.

              The government of Ukraine did not inject itself into the 2016 elections ala Russia. Chalupa was her own person, who, being Ukrainian-American, was suspiscious of Manafort knowing of his connections to Russia and now to the Trump campaign, decided to look into it herself. Guess what, she was right to be suspiscious.
              The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force ManafortÂ’s resignation and advancing the narrative that TrumpÂ’s campaign was deeply connected to UkraineÂ’s foe to the east, Russia
              The Trump campaign was, and the Trump Aministration is, still deeply connected to Ukraines foe to the east. Trump has done everything he can in the best interests of Russia since he's been in office including risking our own national security. As Nancy Pelosi made clear, and unfortunately you've yet to grasp, "with Trump, all roads lead to Russia."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by whag View Post
                There are few apologias more ridiculous than Trump saying Ukraine, not Russia, tampered with US election. Russia has a vested interest in weakening the US, while Ukraine, who has been the recipient of our aid, does not. The evidence for this is well documented and overwhelming, yet Trump allowed his goons to engage in creating a literal conspiracy theory that Ukraine was behind the meddling.

                Lindsey Graham has contradicted Trump on this at long last:

                https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...nt-ukraine?amp
                Graham as a staunch defender of Trump, has criticized the Democrat-led impeachment inquiry. And yet even he said he is "1,000% confident" that Russia, not Ukraine, meddled in the 2016 US presidential election. As the former National Security Council official Dr. Fiona Hill warned: “Republicans loyal to Trump must stop peddling Russian propaganda in the form of conspiracy theories that Ukraine tampered in the 2016 presidential election. “I would ask that you please not promote politically driven falsehoods that so clearly advance Russian interests,” she said.

                https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...se-impeachment

                Trump, as usual, is being loyal to Putin’s agenda. We can only wonder why.
                “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by whag View Post
                  That sounds far less widespread than POTUS promulgating Ukraine election meddling conspiracy at his rallies and in his tweets.
                  He's just trying to find a silver lining ...
                  He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

                  "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by seer View Post
                    It wasn't just about Crowdstrike:

                    Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

                    Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton.


                    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...ackfire-233446

                    A NY Times reporter dug into Ukraine and the Democrats. Critics are still howling.

                    https://www.stripes.com/news/us/a-ny...wling-1.607600
                    Let's also not forget that the Ukrainian government brought charges against one of their own officials, Artem Sytnyk (the director of the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine -- NABU) who was being investigated for attempting to influence the 2016 vote to the benefit of Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.

                    The MSM loves to declare that the idea that Ukraine might also have tried to influence the 2016 presidential campaign as debunked but leave out the fact that it has never been fully investigated.

                    Sort of like the Hunter Biden-Burisma connection. They just proclaim that nothing questionable happened without ever investigating it. This may have finally changed after Biden's run in with an 80 something year old man at a pep rally who asked about it and got a visibly upset Biden to sputter out push-up challenges and the like (stuff one might expect in a race for 6th grade class president -- not in a race for POTUS).

                    This exchange has gone viral resulting in some members of the press FINALLY asking Joe Biden about his son and the Ukraine.

                    I'm always still in trouble again

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                      He's just trying to find a silver lining ...
                      Actually it dispels the excuses people were coming up with about why Graham is investigating Biden. Because of Russian propaganda. Because he's suddenly become Trump's political toady. Because they have something they're blackmailing Graham with. Etc. Nope, it's because he apparently got a hold of information either he wasn't privy to or just found it much easier to ignore before, and now that's been flung in the open public, his conscience can't ignore it any longer.
                      "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by seer View Post
                        It wasn't just about Crowdstrike:

                        Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

                        Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton.


                        https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...ackfire-233446

                        A NY Times reporter dug into Ukraine and the Democrats. Critics are still howling.

                        https://www.stripes.com/news/us/a-ny...wling-1.607600
                        Yup...

                        The Republican chairmen of three Senate committees are seeking records from and interviews with a former DNC contractor and a former Ukrainian diplomatic official to determine whether there was any coordination between the Ukrainian government and Democrats in the 2016 election, an allegation Democrats have dismissed as a conspiracy theory.

                        Sens. Chuck Grassley, Ron Johnson and Lindsey Graham said Friday that they are requesting the records from Alexandra Chalupa, the former DNC contractor, and Andrii Telizkhenko, a former political officer who worked in the Ukrainian embassy.

                        The senators said the request is a continuation of Grassley’s inquiry in 2017 about possible coordination between the DNC and Ukrainian embassy to dig up dirt on the Trump campaign and former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort.
                        "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          Let's also not forget that the Ukrainian government brought charges against one of their own officials, Artem Sytnyk (the director of the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine -- NABU) who was being investigated for attempting to influence the 2016 vote to the benefit of Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.
                          Hmm, being investigated isn't a crime.
                          The MSM loves to declare that the idea that Ukraine might also have tried to influence the 2016 presidential campaign as debunked but leave out the fact that it has never been fully investigated.
                          And that would be a crime against the U.S. by Ukraine if true. So, what about it? Or are you trying to say it was Ukraine and not Russia.
                          Sort of like the Hunter Biden-Burisma connection. They just proclaim that nothing questionable happened without ever investigating it.
                          Again, a red herring. Unless you're trying to argue it was Ukraine and not Russia. Putin just loves you guys!

                          This may have finally changed after Biden's run in with an 80 something year old man at a pep rally who asked about it and got a visibly upset Biden to sputter out push-up challenges and the like (stuff one might expect in a race for 6th grade class president -- not in a race for POTUS).
                          The 80 year old idiot was just parroting the right wing propaganda that he's been listening to on FOX NEWS.
                          This exchange has gone viral resulting in some members of the press FINALLY asking Joe Biden about his son and the Ukraine.
                          So what, none of that excuses the presidents abuse of power in Ukraine.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by seanD View Post
                            Yup...
                            Hmmm, did Chalupa abuse her power, was there a quid pro quo?

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                            • #15
                              Is there no difference between these claims:

                              A few Ukrainians dig up dirt

                              A few hundred Russians coordinating in a government endorsed operation to influence via social media, hack and dig up dirt

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