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  • Social conservatism.

    Fiscal conservatism.

    Political conservatism.

    Judicial conservatism.

    Theological conservatism.

    Foreign policy conservatism.

    ALL DIFFERENT.


    How are we supposed to communicate meaningfully yet concisely?
    Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

    Beige Nationalist.

    "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

    Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

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    • Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
      But leaving existent moronic social engineering in place?
      Not all social engineering is bad. The greatest social engineering program the US has attempted is the civil rights initiatives, including the federal anti lynching bill.

      Conservatives generally opposed those. They violated the conservative tenets of local control (or subsidiarity and states rights). We can look back and recognize those things as consistent with modern views of conservatism, but we often forget that contemporary conservatives looked at those and recoiled.

      Few conservatives want those social engineering initiatives rolled back.

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      • Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
        Social conservatism.

        Fiscal conservatism.

        Political conservatism.

        Judicial conservatism.

        Theological conservatism.

        Foreign policy conservatism.

        ALL DIFFERENT.


        How are we supposed to communicate meaningfully yet concisely?
        No commonalities among those items in the list?

        We often confuse conservatism as a set of policies or a platform which is static across time and place.

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        • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
          There's nothing about conservatism (politically and morally speaking) that implies stagnation.
          I think stagnation, or to put a more positive tone on it, preservation (or literally 'conservation' referring to culture / politics rather than the environment), is a reasonable definition of conservatism. Conservatism is often about defending the status quo, it is often about believing that the culture that has been handed down to us from history has been tested and found to be good, and about believing that daring to deviate from what has been handed down to us could have dangerous consequences, and about opposing changes to it.

          Liberalism and progressivism, by contrast about trying to make 'improvements' and make 'moral progress', and questioning what has been handed down to us from history and challenging it to see if it can be improved.

          And, given those definitions we can realize that if liberals of one general do achieve a significant change, despite opposition from conservatives of their generation, then in the next generations the conservatives of that era will defend the changes the earlier liberals had made. Each generation of conservatives will try and conserve the culture that was present when they were young. So even if one generation of conservatives fought to conserve the practice of slavery, when liberals won and abolished the practice, the generations of conservatives that came later will agree that slavery is bad. Looking through history, the moral progress that has been made by liberals has rarely been subsequently undone, because conservatives of subsequent generations typically want to defend the status quo of their era.

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          • Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
            But leaving existent moronic social engineering in place?
            Yes, I'm sure you believe that's exactly what I meant.
            "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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            • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              Liberalism and progressivism, by contrast about trying to make 'improvements' and make 'moral progress', and questioning what has been handed down to us from history and challenging it to see if it can be improved.
              The problem with liberalism and progressivism (one of the problems, anyway) is that so often they have good intentions but very poor execution. Look at how the progressives exacerbate the homeless problems in jurisdictions they govern. They seem to be masters at creating problems due to unintended/unanticipated consequences.
              "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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              • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                The problem with liberalism and progressivism (one of the problems, anyway) is that so often they have good intentions but very poor execution. Look at how the progressives exacerbate the homeless problems in jurisdictions they govern. They seem to be masters at creating problems due to unintended/unanticipated consequences.
                And exactly how do the liberals exacerbate homelessness?

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                • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  The problem with liberalism and progressivism (one of the problems, anyway) is that so often they have good intentions but very poor execution. Look at how the progressives exacerbate the homeless problems in jurisdictions they govern. They seem to be masters at creating problems due to unintended/unanticipated consequences.
                  Which is why liberals will praise another liberal for mucking things up beyond recognition just as long as he "meant" to do well and condemn a conservative for doing well because, they say, he didn't (according to them) have the "right" motivation.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    Which is why liberals will praise another liberal for mucking things up beyond recognition just as long as he "meant" to do well and condemn a conservative for doing well because, they say, he didn't (according to them) have the "right" motivation.
                    Feelings over substance. Intentions over results.
                    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                    • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      Feelings over substance. Intentions over results.
                      Excuses over doing something!

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                      • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        Which is why liberals will praise another liberal for mucking things up beyond recognition just as long as he "meant" to do well...
                        It's known as "failing upward".
                        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                        Than a fool in the eyes of God


                        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                        • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                          The problem with liberalism and progressivism (one of the problems, anyway) is that so often they have good intentions but very poor execution.
                          Many times, I'm not even certain they have good intentions.
                          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                          Than a fool in the eyes of God


                          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                          • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            The problem with liberalism and progressivism (one of the problems, anyway) is that so often they have good intentions but very poor execution. Look at how the progressives exacerbate the homeless problems in jurisdictions they govern. They seem to be masters at creating problems due to unintended/unanticipated consequences.
                            Your missing one interesting point in your unfortunate generalization that the homeless population quadrupled under Ronald Reagan, and down hill since, because of his legacy..
                            Last edited by shunyadragon; 12-08-2019, 04:04 PM.
                            Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                            Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                            But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                            go with the flow the river knows . . .

                            Frank

                            I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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                            • Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                              Your missing one interesting point in your unfortunate generalization that the homeless population quadrupled under Ronald Reagan, and down hill sense, because of his legacy..
                              And that's not by accident.

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                              • Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                                Your missing one interesting point in your unfortunate generalization that the homeless population quadrupled under Ronald Reagan, and down hill since,
                                Ah, because he bought into the loony left's ideas (namely the Lanterman–Petris–Short Act) which reduced the ability of the state to institutionalize mentally ill people involuntarily. It was seen as increasing the civil rights of mentally ill people. Again, good intentions / unforeseen consequences.

                                because of his legacy..
                                "Because of his legacy"? That doesn't even make sense.
                                "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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