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Majority of Republicans polled think Trump better than Lincoln

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  • #16
    Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
    "He's going down this time, really and truly!!!!"

    When he doesn't, will you finally let go of your hatred?
    Hatred? You are such a fool. Trump, with the help of people like yourself, has rendered the presidency virtually immune from the rule of law. And the fools rejoice in it, not realizing the danger it represents. Without the capacity to check presidential power, without the capacity to hold the president accountable for his misdeeds, we begin the journey away from what truly makes this country great. Fundamentally, if America is not ruled by its laws, its ideals, its constitution, if one man can rule with impunity and can do whatever he likes without fear of reprisal. Then it is no longer America
    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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    • #17
      Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
      Many if not most conservative Republicans in the South hate Lincoln for obvious reasons. In North and South Carolina it is almost unanimous, with a lot white silk sheets in the closet flying Confederate flags.
      I've lived all over Texas and haven't run into a single person who hates Lincoln. Never heard any such thing.
      "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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      • #18
        Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
        Trump, with the help of people like yourself, has rendered the presidency virtually immune from the rule of law.
        Yes, he's not going down. This is an encouraging sign, maybe even genuine progress.
        Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
          Hatred? You are such a fool. Trump, with the help of people like yourself, has rendered the presidency virtually immune from the rule of law. And the fools rejoice in it, not realizing the danger it represents.
          Because Trump is the first president ever to cite Executive Privilege

          I'm always still in trouble again

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          • #20
            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            Because Trump is the first president ever to cite Executive Privilege
            He seems to be the first to try to abuse it on such a vast scale. There have been presidents previously who have tried to hide their sins behind it, but Trump seems to be taking obstruction of justice to a whole new level with it.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              I've lived all over Texas and haven't run into a single person who hates Lincoln. Never heard any such thing.
              Then why do the like Trump better?

              Apparently you have not meet any 'Sons of the Confederacy' which is very active in NC
              Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
              Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
              But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

              go with the flow the river knows . . .

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
                He seems to be the first to try to abuse it on such a vast scale. There have been presidents previously who have tried to hide their sins behind it, but Trump seems to be taking obstruction of justice to a whole new level with it.
                As soon as Democrats engage in a just process, then we can discuss whether or not the President is obstructing it.
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                  As soon as Democrats engage in a just process, then we can discuss whether or not the President is obstructing it.
                  There is a very good chance that obstruction will form part of the articles of impeachment. He already has ‘form’ in that area. A favourite tactic of his is to litigate until the other fellow gives up or runs out of money. I think Congress can keep it up as long as he can. Pelosi has enough to work with even though he is blocking the production of evidence. The public, except the base, are amazed by the level of brazen criminality of this POTUS. He is definitely one of a kind.
                  “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                  “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                    Then why do the like Trump better?
                    Better than what? A root canal without anesthesia?

                    Apparently you have not meet any 'Sons of the Confederacy' which is very active in NC
                    N or would I want to. But you started off referring to "the South", and I'm more "South" than you.
                    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by dirtfloor View Post
                      There is a very good chance that obstruction will form part of the articles of impeachment.
                      Probably. Democrats have already said as much, even though in this case, they're twisting the meaning of "obstruction of justice" in order to condemn an innocent man who is simply trying to defend himself against false accusations.

                      Here's Democrat "justice" for you: "We find the defendant guilty and sentence him to life in prison! We now call the defense to present their case."

                      If the President is guilty of anything, it's obstruction of injustice.
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                        There is a very good chance that obstruction will form part of the articles of impeachment...
                        Here's the problem....

                        A) the Democrats have to come up with AoC they can actually sell to the American public.
                        2) they have to get enough representatives in the House to vote FOR impeachment to move to the Senate
                        c) that means they will probably have to get major support from the American public, and that's just not changing
                        D) even IF it goes to the Senate, a snowball has a better chance of surviving the hot place.
                        "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                        • #27
                          Upon reflection, I actually prefer NorrinRadd's explanation on the first page to my own.
                          "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            Here's the problem....

                            A) the Democrats have to come up with AoC they can actually sell to the American public.
                            2) they have to get enough representatives in the House to vote FOR impeachment to move to the Senate
                            c) that means they will probably have to get major support from the American public, and that's just not changing
                            D) even IF it goes to the Senate, a snowball has a better chance of surviving the hot place.
                            The nightmare scenario for Democrats is they successfully impeach Trump in the House, but he is acquitted after an open trial in the Senate. This is why Democrats are now testing the idea of a censure instead, so their case against the President is never put to the test, and they can go into the 2020 campaign with the false narrative that the evidence against Trump is overwhelming and conclusive, even if unproven.
                            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                            Than a fool in the eyes of God


                            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              The nightmare scenario for Democrats is they successfully impeach Trump in the House, but he is acquitted after an open trial in the Senate. This is why Democrats are now testing the idea of a censure instead, so their case against the President is never put to the test, and they can go into the 2020 campaign with the false narrative that the evidence against Trump is overwhelming and conclusive, even if unproven.
                              Because they know full well that a trial in the Senate will not convict, and Trump will then run on "I have been EXONERATED", which, while technically incorrect, will work quite well for him.
                              "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                                In a time of war, but also Bush did too.

                                Source: https://www.thoughtco.com/bush-lincoln-both-suspended-habeas-corpus-3321847



                                Why Bush and Lincoln Both Suspended Habeas Corpus
                                The differences and similarities in each president's decision

                                by
                                Robert Longley
                                Updated August 22, 2019

                                On Oct. 17, 2006, President George W. Bush signed a law suspending the right of habeas corpus to persons "determined by the United States" to be an "enemy combatant" in the Global War on Terror.


                                Bush's action drew severe criticism, mainly for the law's failure to specifically designate who in the United States will determine who is and who is not an "enemy combatant."


                                'A Time of Shame This Is'
                                Jonathan Turley, professor of constitutional law at George Washington University, objected to Bush's support for the law—the Military Commissions Act of 2006—and its suspension of writs of habeas corpus. He stated,

                                "What, really, a time of shame this is for the American system. What the Congress did and what the president signed today essentially revokes over 200 years of American principles and values."

                                Not the First Time

                                The Military Commissions Act of 2006 was not the first time the Constitution's guaranteed right to writs of habeas corpus was suspended by an action of a president.

                                In the early days of the U.S. Civil War President Abraham Lincoln suspended writs of habeas corpus.

                                Both Bush and Lincoln based their actions on the dangers of war, and both presidents faced sharp criticism for carrying out what many believed to be an attack on the Constitution.

                                © Copyright Original Source



                                Many if not most conservative Republicans in the South hate Lincoln for obvious reasons.
                                No, the South has a pretty favorable opinion of Lincoln. Habeas corpus applied in the North and the occupied states.

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