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  • #61
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    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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    • #62
      Originally posted by simplicio View Post
      Do localities have the right to defy state and federal laws?

      Many argued that localities were overstepping their bounds when the topic was enforcement of immigration laws.

      Is the second amendment the hill to stand on for Christians?
      What's your starting point? Is it a normal situation, or 'they want to destroy us'?
      Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
        What's your starting point? Is it a normal situation, or 'they want to destroy us'?
        Do you think the survival of the church depends on the gun? Not sure why you asked that.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by JimL View Post
          False. That just the propaganda being picked up through your tin foil hat.
          Jim, as a lifelong gun control advocate, please stop doing this. MM is correct and we both know it. The abolitionists are masquerading as gun control advocates and undermining the legitimacy of gun control positions. If you (general) want to advocate for abolition, do it honestly and not behind more rational skirts.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by JimL View Post
            Of course, why do you think we invented god in the first place?
            You didn't - He invented you.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
              Jim, as a lifelong gun control advocate, please stop doing this. MM is correct and we both know it. The abolitionists are masquerading as gun control advocates and undermining the legitimacy of gun control positions. If you (general) want to advocate for abolition, do it honestly and not behind more rational skirts.
              I say what I mean, Tea, not what you want to think I mean. No one is trying to abolish the right of people to own guns, which should be obvious to sensible gun owners. Even your originalist Justice Scalia understood that the right wasn't unlimited.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by JimL View Post
                I say what I mean, Tea, not what you want to think I mean. No one is trying to abolish the right of people to own guns, which should be obvious to sensible gun owners. Even your originalist Justice Scalia understood that the right wasn't unlimited.
                I never disputed that you speak your mind. But the claim that there is no abolition movement is patently false

                I have no issue with the Second Amendment being limited. I think the Court was stupid to incorporate it. I fully support reasonable gun control. What I disagree with is misrepresenting the positions by pretending that there's no abolition movement within the gun control lobby.

                If you (general) support abolition then say so. If you hold, as I do, that there should be rational and fair limitations on gun ownership then argue those limits. But the pretense that there is no abolition movement hurts gun control.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by simplicio View Post
                  Do you think the survival of the church depends on the gun? Not sure why you asked that.
                  Remember, Jesus told his disciples to arm themselves.
                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


                  From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                    I never disputed that you speak your mind. But the claim that there is no abolition movement is patently false

                    I have no issue with the Second Amendment being limited. I think the Court was stupid to incorporate it. I fully support reasonable gun control. What I disagree with is misrepresenting the positions by pretending that there's no abolition movement within the gun control lobby.

                    If you (general) support abolition then say so. If you hold, as I do, that there should be rational and fair limitations on gun ownership then argue those limits. But the pretense that there is no abolition movement hurts gun control.
                    The idea that there is an abolition movement is not supported by an iota of evidence as there is not one person who has ever advocated for the complete abolition of guns. Glad to hear you're one of those advocating for reasonable limitations.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by JimL View Post
                      The idea that there is an abolition movement is not supported by an iota of evidence as there is not one person who has ever advocated for the complete abolition of guns. Glad to hear you're one of those advocating for reasonable limitations.
                      Two Democratic presidential candidates have advocated for abolition. Hardly the only ones. You're mistaken.

                      Yes, I've been a gun control advocate my entire life. Growing up around idiots that can't differentiate pets or ME from deer will do that.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                        Two Democratic presidential candidates have advocated for abolition. Hardly the only ones. You're mistaken.

                        Yes, I've been a gun control advocate my entire life. Growing up around idiots that can't differentiate pets or ME from deer will do that.
                        I believe "Beto's" reply to the question about whether he was in favor of gun confiscation was "Hell yes." At one point he tried to walk it back but this led to Politifact declaring that "We rate O’Rourke’s claim that he is “not talking about confiscating anybody’s guns” as False."

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by simplicio View Post
                          Do you think the survival of the church depends on the gun?
                          I meant to address the first question about localities.

                          Not sure why you asked that.
                          Clearly some people think 'they want to destroy us', = war situation, in which more things are permissible than normal. What starting point you have determines what conclusion you reach.
                          Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                            Exactly. Banning guns is as stupid as banning cars. We finally agree on something.
                            If it turns out that autopiloted cars are significantly safer than people driving cars, I'd argue its a moral imperative that cars be driven on autopilot in most places (especially those with high frequencies of car accidents).

                            It is, however, always a balance between freedom and safety. Sometimes due to practical concerns we accept some risks. Traffic is one of the greatest examples of that. Its rather dangerous, but the practicality it lends in getting around is enough that people are willing to accept that risk.

                            How much risk we accept is an ongoing discussion. There's no blanket answer that can be given.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                              Two Democratic presidential candidates have advocated for abolition. Hardly the only ones. You're mistaken.
                              Which two would that be?
                              Yes, I've been a gun control advocate my entire life. Growing up around idiots that can't differentiate pets or ME from deer will do that.
                              Now, is that any way to talk about your fellow Alabamians?

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                                I believe "Beto's" reply to the question about whether he was in favor of gun confiscation was "Hell yes." At one point he tried to walk it back but this led to Politifact declaring that "We rate O’Rourke’s claim that he is “not talking about confiscating anybody’s guns” as False."
                                Whether you agree with him or not he was specifically speaking about Military style assault weapons, not guns in general.

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