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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWhile impeachment is technically a political process, our Founding Fathers never intended for it to be wielded as a political weapon.
Turley: Democrats offering passion over proof in Trump impeachmentThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostTeal is aware of this narrative because I responded to your post about it in another thread, and she amen'd my post. Here is my previous response:
The knew about it from a cable they received. Nothing in the article identifies the source of the cable. Who they heard it from is irrelevant because ...
It sheds significant light on the false narrative that "Zelinsky said he felt no pressure, therefore there was no QPQ" - light that shows the situation was pretty much as I described it. They had to say that, it was the only way to walk the line between not angering Trump and not involving themselves in the US impeachment. They were, in fact, under a great deal of pressure - they needed those funds and the only thing they knew that might help get it would be to appease Trump with a public announcement about investigating Biden's son and Burisma.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWhile impeachment is technically a political process, our Founding Fathers never intended for it to be wielded as a political weapon.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Postyes I saw that response ... and that response is very, very lame.
The knew about it from a cable they received. Nothing in the article identifies the source of the cable. Who they heard it from is irrelevant because ...
It sheds significant light on the false narrative that "Zelinsky said he felt no pressure, therefore there was no QPQ" - light that shows the situation was pretty much as I described it. They had to say that, it was the only way to walk the line between not angering Trump and not involving themselves in the US impeachment. They were, in fact, under a great deal of pressure - they needed those funds and the only thing they knew that might help get it would be to appease Trump with a public announcement about investigating Biden's son and Burisma.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostThere's no way to benefit, personal or otherwise, by doing something to directly influence the actions of another without the other in some way knowing about it. Ukraine didn't know the aid was withheld so it could not have had any bearing on their actions had they complied with the request, which they didn't. The presumption itself is logically incoherent and shouldn't be held at all without substantiation.
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Originally posted by whag View PostWhat about foreign-led investigations into political rivals? Do you think they intended for presidents to use those as leverage?
**cough** Steele Dossier - FISA **cough**
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostSorry to hear the brain transplant didn't take.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThis is nothing but idle speculation. You're assuming motives and thought processes for which there is no evidence. The phone call between Trump and Zelensky was on July 25th. The military aide was released on September 11. That's nearly two-months during which time Ukraine never agreed to start investigations and never publicly announced any investigations, yet we're supposed to believe that Trump had Zelensky shaking in his boots and willing to do anything to appease the Orange Mob Boss. In other words, you're asking us to believe that Zelensky is willing to lie to stay on Trump's good side, but wouldn't announce that they were looking into Quid Pro Joe's dirty deal. How do you reconcile this gaping hole in your narrative?My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Postno - it's not 'idle speculation' ... but you saying that does appear to make clear you did not read the article itself.
My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by whag View PostTwo wrongs make a right. *cough* Conveniently fluid Christian morality. *cough*
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