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Originally posted by whag View PostObviously the mysterious circumstances under which the aid is withheld, with nobody having any vested interest for doing so but Trump, warrants an investigation. Having admitted that all that’s needed is an email or memo to prove a crime, you basically confirm that further inquiry was warranted.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Watermelon View PostI think a more accurate analogy would be if I was a beneficiary in a trust and you were the trustee and I had a dog that I loved very much who was sick and needed ten thousand dollars for surgery which the board had approved. We have a phone call and I say ‘I’m ready for that money, my dog is coughing blood now’ and you say ‘I need you to do me a favour though’ followed by a suggestion that you think that lebron is better than Kobe with further instructions to speak to your friend.
Your friend tells me that I need to start wearing a t shirt that reads ‘Lebron is better than Kobe’ which I know had been thoroughly debunked. Then the next day I hear that you put a pause on the transfer for unknown reasons then your friend comes to me and says that the funds will be released once I wear the t shirt.
So I order the t shirt and wait for it to arrive. Before it arrives I hear that you are being investigated for making the transfer conditioned on me wearing a false t shirt thus betraying your fiduciary duties to me. The next day the funds are released and my dog is saved. The t shirt arrives and I throw it in the bin where it belongs.
But my dog will need surgery again next year and I’ll need you to sign off on it again so when a reporter asks if I felt pressured I tell them no.
Regardless of what we say, the actions speak for themselves. You had a fiduciary duty to act in my best interest but abused it to try and get what you wanted. What we say or how we felt about that phone call doesn’t change the fact that:
1) you paused the transfer of funds
2) I was pressured by your friend to wear the t shirt
3) you can’t explain why pausing the transfer was in my best interest
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostNo, that's not what I said. What I actually said is that since withholding aid is not a crime in and of itself, nor does it suggest a crime, then there's literally nothing to investigate.
https://www.justsecurity.org/67489/t...d-was-illegal/My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYeah, I got lost in that "analogy".Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostNo, that's not what I said. What I actually said is that since withholding aid is not a crime in and of itself, nor does it suggest a crime, then there's literally nothing to investigate. It'd be like the cops seeing you withdraw $5000 from the bank and then using that as a basis to launch an investigation where your friends and family are forced to testify to see if you're planning to do anything illegal with the money.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostActually - it was illegal for Trump to hold that aid. That is why people at the OMB resigned over the handling of the matter. They were being asked to break the law.
https://www.justsecurity.org/67489/t...d-was-illegal/
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostActually - it was illegal for Trump to hold that aid. That is why people at the OMB resigned over the handling of the matter. They were being asked to break the law.
https://www.justsecurity.org/67489/t...d-was-illegal/
http://dailytorch.com/2019/11/the-pr...or-rescission/Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI laughed at the "dog coughing up blood" part. It just made the whole analogy even more surreal.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostActually withholding the Congressionally appropriated taxpayer military aid, is a crime, in and of itself!
http://dailytorch.com/2019/11/the-pr...or-rescission/Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI laughed at the "dog coughing up blood" part. It just made the whole analogy even more surreal.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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