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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYeah, he pleaded guilty to something that wasn't a crime. Former chairman of the FEC said no laws were broken.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostNullified nothing. Sondland says he "presumed". Frankly, he can presume whatever he wants. That doesn't make it a fact.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Watermelon View PostThat..... makes no sense. You literally can't plead guilty to something that isn't a crime.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Watermelon View PostThat..... makes no sense. You literally can't plead guilty to something that isn't a crime.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Virginia Heffernan spoke to Ross Garber on Trumpcast. I wonder if Pelosi might not do impeachment after all. it looks like Trump could get off if he handles Rudy the right way.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostVirginia Heffernan spoke to Ross Garber on Trumpcast. I wonder if Pelosi might not do impeachment after all. it looks like Trump could get off if he handles Rudy the right way.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostPeople do so all the time for a wide variety of reasons.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostOpen hearings begin next week.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by dirtfloor View PostVirginia Heffernan spoke to Ross Garber on Trumpcast. I wonder if Pelosi might not do impeachment after all. it looks like Trump could get off if he handles Rudy the right way.
Plan B, of course, was to keep the sham "inquiry" going late into 2020 in order to tip the scales against Trump during the general election, but with Barr and Durham getting ready to open a can of you-know-what, the Democrats have had to put impeachment on the fast-track. It will be interesting to see how all this plays out, but chances are good that low-info sky-screamers like you are going to be bitterly disappointed yet again.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSo, you'd go so far as to say that the Special Prosecutor is so corrupt that they are forcing witnesses to lie about the President of the U.S.? And no, people don't do it all the time, occassionally, naive people without lawyers are pressured into pleading guilty to crimes they didn't commit, not innocent people with great lawyers. Cohen pleaded guilty because he was obviously guilty, and he implicated Trump because there's a recording of him and Trump discussing the scheme.
Criminally Yours: Lying To Get To The Truth
Why would someone ever admit to a crime he didn't commit? How could anyone be so naive or stupid? But not only does it happen, it happens more frequently than you would imagine. Why?
A hot topic in criminal law is “false confessions.” Why would someone ever admit to a crime he didn’t commit? How could anyone be so naive or stupid?
But not only does it happen, it happens more frequently than you would imagine. Why?
In large part because it’s legal for police to tell suspects the boldest lies in order to wrangle a confession from them. Among the most common lies are:
– “We’ve got you on video doing the crime, so you might as well admit it.”
– “This is only a small case, just say you did it and you’ll get a drug program.”
and...
The only way psychological gamesmanship might be disapproved by the court is if it’s so egregious as to offend “the notion of fundamental fairness.” But boy, is that a big hurdle.
Take the case of Matthew Thomas. Police lied to him in a manner so egregious, even John McCain would have cracked. Thomas was accused of killing his four-month-old son. After being interrogated for more than nine hours, he was told that if he didn’t admit to doing the crime, his wife would be arrested for it and dragged from the baby’s hospital bedside because “one of them had to have done it.” They told him the baby was still alive, and that his information would save the child’s life. Another lie — the baby was already dead. They told him they were sure it was an accident, and if he just admitted it, he could go home. Right.
The trial judge found that the confession was not only voluntary, but that defense counsel had no right to put on an expert in police interrogation techniques to speak about the phenomenon of false confessions.
Police fed Thomas information about how they believed the death occurred then prodded him to parrot it back.
I was taught in basic police school this "it's ok to lie to get a confession" -- I never felt comfortable with that, but, yeah - it happens FAR more than you'd ever imagine.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYeah, so maybe ff is using a double negative or something - I was under the impression "it's on".
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Originally posted by JimL View PostMaybe he of the opinion that Impeachment doesn't beging until after the testimony and articles are filed. Could be, I don't know, but i'm sure they'll be filed anyway. What the so far unscrupulous Republican majority Senate will do with that is another question. But ultimately it will come down to the people after they understand the issues. They will either force their Senators to vote one way or the other, or they will decide innocence or guilt for themselves in the election.
But, yes, you're pretty much admitting this is all political, like I stated before - it's a "show trial", the ultimate outcome of which will probably be the way people vote in an upcoming election.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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