Sondland admits quid pro quo

[Mountain Man]

In his testimony today, Volker essentially called Sondland a liar:

"Ambassador Sondland is a big personality and sometimes he says things that might be a bit bigger than life."

[Teallaura]

I think others have answered that already and sufficiently, Tea, so I will only note that you've been wrong in your opinionated assertions so far concerning this whole impeachment process such as how it is going to hurt democrats in the elections. In the elections so far the democrats have taken over complete control of the Virginia state legislature, they've won the Kentucky (red state) governorship, and now they have just won the Louisiana (red state) Governorship, all in the face of Trumps begging support for the republican candidate. It doesn't seem your prophesy is holding up. Perhaps republicans supporting the corrupt Trump might want to think twice about the need for his support in their own upcoming elections.

Yeah, no.

I've said repeatedly the presidential race is too early to predict. And I've never said anything about gubernatorial coattails (the allegations of gerrymandering in Virginia are interesting) because they are pretty useless. Always have been.

But interestingly, Louisiana shouldn't have been close - but was. Even moreso Kentucky - a seriously damaged candidate still pulled off a squeaker. I wouldn't be so cocksure yet, if you're going by gubernatorial results.

What I have said is impeachment, if the Democrats don't pull something substantial out of the hat soon, will bite them in 2020. Whether I'm right or not remains to be seen.

Back to the point - no one has answered the issue at all, let alone sufficiently. I know you're getting desperate - you're no longer even trying to debate facts - but don't think this garbage is fooling anyone. Sondland has lied under oath - you yourself called him a perjurer - goes to credibility... and yanks out its little heart.

[Teallaura]

In his testimony today, Volker essentially called Sondland a liar:

"Ambassador Sondland is a big personality and sometimes he says things that might be a bit bigger than life."

... yanks its little heart out and stomps that sucker flat...

[Mountain Man]

Sondland is on the stand today, and it's looking like another disaster for Democrats.

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[Mountain Man]

“You testified that Mr. Giuliani was expressing the desires of the president. Correct?” Republican Counsel Steve Castor asked Sondland.

“That’s our understanding. Yes,” Sondland replied.

“How did you know that? Who told you?” Castor asked.

“Well, when the president says, talk to my personal attorney and then Mr. Giuliani as his personal attorney makes certain requests or demands, we assume it's coming from the president,” Sondland said.

"Did the president ever tell you personally about any preconditions for anything?" Caster asked at another point.

"No," Sondland replied.

"So, the president never told you about any preconditions for the aid to be released?" Caster asked more specifically.

"No," Sondland answered again.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/eu-a...ll_twopack_hed

[seer]

“You testified that Mr. Giuliani was expressing the desires of the president. Correct?” Republican Counsel Steve Castor asked Sondland.

“That’s our understanding. Yes,” Sondland replied.

“How did you know that? Who told you?” Castor asked.

“Well, when the president says, talk to my personal attorney and then Mr. Giuliani as his personal attorney makes certain requests or demands, we assume it's coming from the president,” Sondland said.

"Did the president ever tell you personally about any preconditions for anything?" Caster asked at another point.

"No," Sondland replied.

"So, the president never told you about any preconditions for the aid to be released?" Caster asked more specifically.

"No," Sondland answered again.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/eu-a...ll_twopack_hed

To be fair MM, it is pretty clear that Giuliani was tying the investigations into the aid. That the aid was being help up until we had assurance that Ukraine would publicly commit to the investigations.

[Mountain Man]

To be fair MM, it is pretty clear that Giuliani was tying the investigations into the aid. That the aid was being help up until we had assurance that Ukraine would publicly commit to the investigations.

But witness after witness has testified that they never heard it from Trump, and Trump never told it to Zelensky, which pretty much kills any case for impeachment.

[seer]

But witness after witness has testified that they never heard it from Trump, and Trump never told it to Zelensky, which pretty much kills any case for impeachment.

That is true and the fact that when Sondland actually talked to Trump on this Trump told him in very direct terms that he wanted NOTHING from Ukraine, no quid pro quo.

[Cow Poke]

That is true and the fact that when Sondland actually talked to Trump on this Trump told him in very direct terms that he wanted NOTHING from Ukraine, no quid pro quo.

And it's possible that was on purpose for deniability, but it still has to be proven.

[oxmixmudd]

And it's possible that was on purpose for deniability, but it still has to be proven.

When the actions ARE quid pro quo, the words denying it mean nothing.

[seer]

And it's possible that was on purpose for deniability, but it still has to be proven.

Sure that is possible, but it is speculation. Not evidence.

[Cow Poke]

Sure that is possible, but it is speculation. Not evidence.

Absolutely.

[Cow Poke]

When the actions ARE quid pro quo, the words denying it mean nothing.

Alleged, facts not in evidence, calls for speculation, the list goes on...

Besides, Schiff has Schifted to bribery.

[Starlight]

Besides, Schiff has Schifted to bribery.

Are you too dumb to realize they are the same thing? Or is this just your usual bad faith arguments?

[Cow Poke]

Are you too dumb to realize they are the same thing?

Are you too dumb to realize the Democrats changed it on purpose, because a FOCUS GROUP thought it would be easier to prosecute?

Or is this just your usual bad faith arguments?

It this just your just your usual jackass attack?