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  • Trump loses yet another case in court.

    Trump loses appeal to stop New York State from investigating his tax returns.

    http://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/4/trump-...urns-case.html

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    Trump loses appeal of New York tax returns case

    Trump loses appeal of New York tax returns case

    A federal appeals court ruled Monday that President Donald Trumpís tax returns must be turned over to a state grand jury.

    The three-judge appeals panel in New York rejected Trumpís argument that he is immune as president from criminal investigation while in the White House.

    Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. is seeking Trumpís corporate and personal tax returns from his accounting firm Mazars as part of a criminal investigation. Trump sued to block the subpoena that Vanceís office sent to Mazars in September.

    The panel of judges on the U.S. Second Circuit of Appeals predicted during oral arguments last month that Trumpís lawyers are all but certain to appeal the ruling to the U.S. Supreme Court. If Trump stands down from the legal fight, Mazars will have to hand over the documents sought by the New York DA.

    Lawyers for Trump had argued that the U.S. president has absolute immunity during his time in office that protects him from an investigation into conduct before he took office. One of the presidentís attorneys, William Consovoy, had argued before the judges that Trump could shoot another person on Fifth Avenue in New York City and not be subject to arrest and prosecution until after he left office.

    The appeals panel ruled that presidential immunity should be interpreted more narrowly.

    ďAny presidential immunity from state criminal process does not extend to investigative steps like the grand jury subpoena at issue here,Ē the panel wrote.

    Vance is investigating, at the very least, how the Trump Organization accounted for hush money payments made to two women who claimed to have had affairs with Trump years ago. Trump has denied the affairs.

    One of those women, porn star Stormy Daniels, was paid $130,000 by Trumpís then-personal lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen, who later was reimbursed by Trump.

    The other woman, Playboy model Karen McDougal, was paid $150,000 by the Trump-friendly publisher of The National Enquirer supermarket tabloid. Both payments were made shortly before the 2016 presidential election.

    Cohen pleaded guilty last year to several crimes, including campaign finance violations in connection with facilitating the payments to Daniels and McDougals.

    Cohen, who is currently serving a three-year federal criminal sentence, is cooperating with Vanceís investigation.
    "Neighbor, how long has it been since youíve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?Ē

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    • #3
      The bigger issue is that this is clearly a fishing expedition. They don't have probable cause to think Trump committed a crime and are seeking evidence to solidify the case; rather, they are fishing for anything they can find to accuse him of a crime in the first place.
      Last edited by Mountain Man; 11-04-2019, 11:22 AM.
      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
      Than a fool in the eyes of God


      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
        The bigger issue is that this is clearly a fishing expedition. They don't have probable cause to think Trump committed a crime and are seeking evidence to solidify the case; rather, they are fishing for anything they can find to accuse him of a crime in the first place.
        They're seeking evidence to solidify what case, MM?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
          The bigger issue is that this is clearly a fishing expedition. They don't have probable cause to think Trump committed a crime and are seeking evidence to solidify the case; rather, they are fishing for anything they can find to accuse him of a crime in the first place.
          Regardless, it appears his only option now is to appeal to SCOTUS.
          "Neighbor, how long has it been since youíve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?Ē

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
            The bigger issue is that this is clearly a fishing expedition. They don't have probable cause to think Trump committed a crime and are seeking evidence to solidify the case; rather, they are fishing for anything they can find to accuse him of a crime in the first place.
            They don't have probable cause ...
            He will reply, ĎTruly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

            "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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            • #7
              Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
              They don't have probable cause ...
              It's no laughing matter. Remember, if they can deny the President of the United States due process, then what's to stop them from doing it to you? What they're doing to Trump should send a chill down the spine of every US citizen.
              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
              Than a fool in the eyes of God


              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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              • #8
                NOTE: I asked the mods to merge this thread with JimL's which he started first.

                (albeit my thread title is much less biased than his. )
                "Neighbor, how long has it been since youíve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?Ē

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by JimL View Post
                  Trump loses appeal to stop New York State from investigating his tax returns.
                  Fishing against Trump only blows up in your own face, aren't you lot capable of learning?

                  "Trump is going down, this time!!!!!'

                  Oh.
                  Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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                  • #10
                    Isn't it funny that Trump promised he'd release his tax returns when he was running for President... and then didn't... and then still didn't despite considerable public pressure... and then, according to a recent IRS whistle-blower, got his appointees to the IRS to quash the standard IRS audit of a President's taxes... and then sued to stop them being released.

                    Its kinda enough to make you think there's something bad in there, and that Trump knows it.

                    Though we've learned a few things so far:
                    • Summaries of his personal returns from the 80s and 90s, show Trump lost a massive amount of money in real estate investments at a time when the market was booming and others were making money hand over fist. Trump's monumental losses in this period probably mean he was the single greatest loser of money among all taxpayers in the entire US over this period. At the height of this period in which he demonstrated himself to be the US's single worst businessman, he had Art of the Deal written for him about what a great businessman he was and how great he was at making deals.

                    • Due to Trump Organisation returns from the 70s to 90s we can see that the massive amounts of money Trump was continuously losing through his business incompetence were being gifted to him by his father. Trump's father was constantly funneling money to Trump through various schemes, many of which were illegal and some of which he was caught in. Overall Trump's father appears to have funneled more than $400 million to Trump through tax evasion schemes. Trump subsequently appears to have lost it all through his business incompetence.

                    A question on many people's minds is, once Trump's father was dead and gone and Trump had whittled away the $400 million his father had left him, who was propping up Trump's ongoing business failings? The answer appears to be money launderers. The NY real estate market has long been a prime target for people wishing to launder money gained through questionable means. An estimated one third of all high-end NY real estate deals are primarily about money laundering, in which the person with money from dodgy sources is prepared to pay over-inflated prices for the real estate simply in order to be able to on-sell it at a more reasonable price and walk away with money that looks less dodgy because it appears to have come from legitimate business dealings. The people in recent decades who have been most interested in having their money laundered have been Russian oligarchs, who, following the collapse of the Soviet Union, managed to divert massive amounts of their country's wealth into their own pocket by various questionable means. Today the Trump organisation's business dealings appear to involve a very large amount of Russian investment, with Trump's sons saying:

                    "Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets... We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia." - Don Jr, 2008

                    "we donít rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia" - Eric Trump, 2014

                    But I guess it's Complete Speculation to think that evidence of this might show up in Trump's taxes, and presumably the reason he's desperate to hide his taxes is his clear conscience.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by JimL View Post
                      They're seeking evidence to solidify what case, MM?
                      Exactly, JimL what case? No probable cause to even think there was a crime much less that Trump committed it.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by JimL View Post
                        Trump loses appeal to stop New York State from investigating his tax returns.

                        http://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/4/trump-...urns-case.html
                        And yet ends up winning many of them when they make their way up to the Supreme Court where this is undoubtedly eventually going to wind up.

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                        • #13
                          I think Piers Morgan really knows how to sum up the whole Trump issue, "Trump may look like heís on the ropes but heís got US jobs flying, ISIS chiefs dying, and desperate Democrats launching an impeachment bid they canít win Ė all of which spells a stunning KO in 2020".

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            Isn't it funny that Trump promised he'd release his tax returns when he was running for President... and then didn't... and then still didn't despite considerable public pressure... and then, according to a recent IRS whistle-blower, got his appointees to the IRS to quash the standard IRS audit of a President's taxes... and then sued to stop them being released.

                            Its kinda enough to make you think there's something bad in there, and that Trump knows it.

                            Though we've learned a few things so far:
                            • Summaries of his personal returns from the 80s and 90s, show Trump lost a massive amount of money in real estate investments at a time when the market was booming and others were making money hand over fist. Trump's monumental losses in this period probably mean he was the single greatest loser of money among all taxpayers in the entire US over this period. At the height of this period in which he demonstrated himself to be the US's single worst businessman, he had Art of the Deal written for him about what a great businessman he was and how great he was at making deals.

                            • Due to Trump Organisation returns from the 70s to 90s we can see that the massive amounts of money Trump was continuously losing through his business incompetence were being gifted to him by his father. Trump's father was constantly funneling money to Trump through various schemes, many of which were illegal and some of which he was caught in. Overall Trump's father appears to have funneled more than $400 million to Trump through tax evasion schemes. Trump subsequently appears to have lost it all through his business incompetence.

                            A question on many people's minds is, once Trump's father was dead and gone and Trump had whittled away the $400 million his father had left him, who was propping up Trump's ongoing business failings? The answer appears to be money launderers. The NY real estate market has long been a prime target for people wishing to launder money gained through questionable means. An estimated one third of all high-end NY real estate deals are primarily about money laundering, in which the person with money from dodgy sources is prepared to pay over-inflated prices for the real estate simply in order to be able to on-sell it at a more reasonable price and walk away with money that looks less dodgy because it appears to have come from legitimate business dealings. The people in recent decades who have been most interested in having their money laundered have been Russian oligarchs, who, following the collapse of the Soviet Union, managed to divert massive amounts of their country's wealth into their own pocket by various questionable means. Today the Trump organisation's business dealings appear to involve a very large amount of Russian investment, with Trump's sons saying:

                            "Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets... We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia." - Don Jr, 2008

                            "we donít rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia" - Eric Trump, 2014

                            But I guess it's Complete Speculation to think that evidence of this might show up in Trump's taxes, and presumably the reason he's desperate to hide his taxes is his clear conscience.
                            IIRC, the only tax returns from Trump that anyone has actually seen are the ones Rachel Maddow breathlessly aired on her show, and they showed that he actually didn't claim every deduction he was entitled to -- which I'll bet Trump is embarrassed about

                            I'm always still in trouble again

                            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Esther View Post
                              I think Piers Morgan really knows how to sum up the whole Trump issue, "Trump may look like heís on the ropes but heís got US jobs flying, ISIS chiefs dying, and desperate Democrats launching an impeachment bid they canít win Ė all of which spells a stunning KO in 2020".
                              Even the New York Times is now saying that in all likelihood Trump's lead in the Electoral College may even be stronger now than in 2016.

                              I'm always still in trouble again

                              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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