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  • Originally posted by JimL View Post
    Sondland changed his testimony only after hearing the contradictory testimony of honorable witnesses.
    Which makes Sondland's testimony unreliable.

    Seriously, get away from the ledge - you're making it much worse.

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    • Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
      ...

      Teal has said that a stenographer makes an actual literal verbatim transcript, but I've not heard that anywhere else. (But I also don't do nearly as much research as she does.)



      ...
      The disclaimer on the transcript is exactly the type used by real time stenographers, outside of a courtroom (where they can interrupt for clarification). I've seen no implication anywhere that it is a compilation of notes - which would not be considered a transcript.

      Assuming this goes to trial - I'll comment on that later - we'll find out for certain then.

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      • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
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        If I tell you about a conversation I heard that is hearsay
        FYI: There are limited circumstances in which hearsay is admissible. If they are establishing when a witness indicated they knew something, it might be admissible.

        Maybe.

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        • Originally posted by JimL View Post
          Of course he really can't say where the presumption came from, that would be telling the truth. Besides, he can presume all he wants, but you don't convey that message, the quid pro quo, on a presumption. Everybody knows that, even you.
          You're flat out calling him a perjurer now. Are you sure you've thought this through?

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          • Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
            You're flat out calling him a perjurer now. Are you sure you've thought this through?
            No doubt in my mind that he's a perjurer, and had this been a court of law rather than Congress, he wouldn't have gotten a do over, he'd have been charged with perjury.

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            • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              In a court of law, it's generally accepted that a witness who will be called to testify can't even be inside the courtroom during the testimony of other witnesses. Let alone, be the judge.
              By the way, this is referred to as "invoking the rule".

              Many judges have "the rule" in place at the beginning of the trial, but either the prosecution or defense can ask, as a point of order, to "invoke the rule".

              Rule 615. Excluding Witnesses

              At a party’s request, the court must order witnesses excluded so that they cannot hear other witnesses’ testimony. Or the court may do so on its own.
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              • Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                Jim, rethink this. You're arguing Sondland committed willful perjury.
                More like supporting the president's version of events because he ‘owed him one’ for his ambassadorship. But later thinking better of it, when it became obvious that his version (i.e. the president’s version) would not hold up in the face of the considerable consistent evidence to the contrary. Sondland has now joined the ever-increasing list of witnesses corroborating the whistle-blower's contention.
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                • Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
                  Others in the thread could say this is a job for Captain Obvious.
                  Sometimes we need a scapegoat, and this Otgerscin fellow would make an ideal one. Not least because his name is an anagram of "Escorting", which is most appropriate for a massage board.
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                  • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    Let's not forget possibly brain damaged in a fall -- her excuse for forgetting basic procedures for handling classified information.
                    Which again, makes you wonder why you should vote for somebody that says their brain was damaged enough to make them forget basic OPSEC.
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                    • Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
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                      • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                        No doubt in my mind that he's a perjurer, and had this been a court of law rather than Congress, he wouldn't have gotten a do over, he'd have been charged with perjury.
                        You realize Teallaura is talking about Sondland, not Trump, yes? Do pay attention, Jim.
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                        • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                          No doubt in my mind that he's a perjurer, and had this been a court of law rather than Congress, he wouldn't have gotten a do over, he'd have been charged with perjury.
                          Okay, but Sondland is a star witness for impeachment - this seriously hurts your case.

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                          • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                            You realize Teallaura is talking about Sondland, not Trump, yes? Do pay attention, Jim.
                            That was my first thought but Jim is aware Trump hasn't testified so I think he's still talking about Sondland.

                            Which is encouraging.

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                            • Originally posted by Roy View Post
                              Sometimes we need a scapegoat, and this Otgerscin fellow would make an ideal one. Not least because his name is an anagram of "Escorting", which is most appropriate for a massage board.
                              I can't decide whether to laugh or throw tomatoes at you....

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                              • Originally posted by Roy View Post
                                Sometimes we need a scapegoat, and this Otgerscin fellow would make an ideal one. Not least because his name is an anagram of "Escorting", which is most appropriate for a massage board.
                                I'm still marveling at the jargon.
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