Whistleblower identified

[Juvenal]

What's your take on why the two Democrats defected? It's interesting that anytime there is a vote "down party lines", it's the Republicans' fault for being obstructionists, but here you actually have two Democrats breaking ranks and voting with the Republicans.

This isn't the vote that will be remembered.

[Cow Poke]

This isn't the vote that will be remembered.

Doesn't mean it isn't significant.

[Juvenal]

Doesn't mean it isn't significant.

Yes, it does.

[Juvenal]

Yes, it does.

There will be a vote on impeachment well before the next election, and after that vote, no one will care to remember how people voted on a process issue. It's the vote on impeachment which will figure in political ads, and in the history books.

And more, that's not the vote people will remember, either.

It's only the vote in the Senate that counts.

[Cow Poke]

There will be a vote on impeachment well before the next election, and after that vote, no one will care to remember how people voted on a process issue. It's the vote on impeachment which will figure in political ads, and in the history books.

And more, that's not the vote people will remember, either.

It's only the vote in the Senate that counts.

You can be incredibly binary when you want to be.

[oxmixmudd]

Of course. That must be it. Why assume the simplest explanation is true (that Zelensky is telling the truth when he says he was never pressured to investigate Biden) when you can concoct wild-eyed conspiracy theories instead?

Him telling the truth with the no pressure comment is not the simplest explanation. It contradicts the known evidence. The truth is more likely in evidence when he said he does not want to get involved in US political matters. You are being naive, or worse, you know him telling the truth about the pressure from Trump is unlikely and you are just participating in the Trump narrative out of your loyalty
to him.

[firstfloor]

Shifty Schiff is the sort of guy that if he tells you the Earth is round, you better carefully research the matter to see if it's true.

You should be reading the Washington Post, not the Washington Times. Your alternative universe will collapse eventually.

[oxmixmudd]

Of course. That must be it. Why assume the simplest explanation is true (that Zelensky is telling the truth when he says he was never pressured to investigate Biden) when you can concoct wild-eyed conspiracy theories instead?

MM, there is a question that has always puzzled me. Why would a person with no conscience be motivated to become a Christian? Such a person has no sense of guilt or of ever doing wrong, so how can they ever actually be motivated to repent?

And supposing they did for some odd reason decide become a Christian. How would they ever know when they were doing wrong when it wasn't spelled out literally in the Biblical text?

[Cow Poke]

You should be reading the Washington Post, not the Washington Times. Your alternative universe will collapse eventually.

Why not both?

[lilpixieofterror]

MM, there is a question that has always puzzled me. Why would a person with no conscience be motivated to become a Christian? Such a person has no sense of guilt or of ever doing wrong, so how can they ever actually be motivated to repent?

And supposing they did for some odd reason decide become a Christian. How would they ever know when they were doing wrong when it wasn't spelled out literally in the Biblical text?

So I am right, you do believe Trump is the an Antichrist. Thanks for the admitting it.

[Juvenal]

You can be incredibly binary when you want to be.

You can be so petulant when you're proven wrong.

</taunting>

This vote will be forgotten in two weeks. The House vote on impeachment will be forgotten in two years. The Senate vote will figure in history books, for decades, with endless analysis of the position of every Senator, with the House votes relegated to the footnotes.

I'm not saying that's right or wrong. I'm saying that's a fact.

And you know it, too, or you wouldn't be attacking the messenger.

[Cow Poke]

You can be so petulant when you're proven wrong.

We'll have to see if that's true should I ever be proven wrong.

[oxmixmudd]

So I am right, you do believe Trump is the an Antichrist. Thanks for the admitting it.

That question wan't about Donald Trump.

And no, I don't believe every person that lacks or has a deficient conscience is the 'anti-Christ'. That would be some pretty serious Theological error.

But if you think I believe Trump doesn't have a conscience, or one of any significance, you would be correct. I've said that several times on these pages.

[Cow Poke]

And you know it, too, or you wouldn't be attacking the messenger.

You really need to get over this persecution complex, brother.

[lilpixieofterror]

That question wan't about Donald Trump.

It has everything to do with your assumptions Jim.