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  • #91
    And then there's this:

    Nancy Pelosi released a “fact sheet” outlining her justification for the impeachment process. Within the justification Speaker Pelosi/Lawfare intentionally conflates investigating past political corruption/interference (2016) with the current 2020 election.

    Speaker Pelosi’s self-serving position boils down to: any effort by the executive branch to investigate prior political corruption is grounds for presidential impeachment.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com...r-impeachment/

    Sketchy sketchy sketchy!

    And if you want to know what has the Democrats so spooked, this is required reading:

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com...a-cover-story/
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    • #92
      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
      And then there's this:

      Nancy Pelosi released a “fact sheet” outlining her justification for the impeachment process. Within the justification Speaker Pelosi/Lawfare intentionally conflates investigating past political corruption/interference (2016) with the current 2020 election.

      Speaker Pelosi’s self-serving position boils down to: any effort by the executive branch to investigate prior political corruption is grounds for presidential impeachment.

      https://theconservativetreehouse.com...r-impeachment/

      Sketchy sketchy sketchy!

      And if you want to know what has the Democrats so spooked, this is required reading:

      https://theconservativetreehouse.com...a-cover-story/
      I seriously doubt there is much on that site that I would consider 'required reading'.
      He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

      "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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      • #93
        Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
        I seriously doubt there is much on that site that I would consider 'required reading'.
        Of course. Who needs facts when you have the truth?
        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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        • #94
          Now we have Democrats up in arms because Trump compared the impeachment nonsense going on in the House to a "lynching". Liberals, of course, are absurdly decrying this as racist.

          But in 1998, that's exactly how Democrat Jerry Nadler described the impeachment of President Bill Clinton.

          https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-bill-clinton/
          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
          Than a fool in the eyes of God


          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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          • #95
            Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
            Headline on CNN:

            Mulvaney brashly admits quid pro quo over Ukraine aid as key details emerge

            https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/17/polit...aid/index.html

            Source: cnn


            White House acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney made a stunning admission Thursday by confirming that President Donald Trump froze nearly $400 million in US security aid to Ukraine in part to pressure that country into investigating Democrats.

            Mulvaney insisted that he only knew of a US request to investigate the handling of a Democratic National Committee server hacked in the 2016 election, but text messages between US diplomats show efforts to get Ukraine to commit to an investigation into Burisma, the company on whose board former Vice President Joe Biden's son sat. There is no evidence of wrongdoing in Ukraine by either Biden.
            "That's why we held up the money," Mulvaney said after listing the 2016-related investigation and Trump's broader concerns about corruption in Ukraine.

            © Copyright Original Source



            So - to be clear - what he is admitting as far as a politically motivated quid-pro-quo is that the money was held pending a commitment to investigate into the servers and the 2016 election as it related to the Democrats.

            Other texts show that this also included investigations into Burisma.

            Bottom line: there is now a direct tie to Trump holding the money as leverage to get Ukraine to investigate issues related to his campaign. It was not merely 'corruption in the Ukraine'.




            Jim
            Like I said. The obvious has been confirmed. From today's testimony by Bill Taylor:

            https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/22/polit...ges/index.html

            Source: CNN

            "During that phone call, Ambassador Sondland told me that President Trump had told him that he wants President Zelensky to state publicly that Ukraine will investigate Burisma and alleged Ukrainian interference in the 2016 US election," according to the testimony.
            Sondland told Taylor he'd also made a mistake earlier by telling the Ukrainian officials that a White House meeting with Zelensky "was dependent on a public announcement of the investigations," Taylor said.
            "In fact, Ambassador Sondland said, 'everything' was dependent on such an announcement, including security assistance," Taylor testified.
            He testified that Trump wanted Zelensky "in a public box" by making a public statement about ordering the investigations.

            "Ambassador Sondland tried to explain to me that President Trump is a businessman. When a businessman is about to sign a check to someone who owes him something, he said, the businessman asks that person to pay up before signing the check," Taylor testified, adding that Volker had used the same phrase.
            "I argued to both that the explanation made no sense: the Ukrainians did not 'owe' President Trump anything, and holding up security assistance for domestic political gain was 'crazy,' as I had said in my text message to Ambassadors Sondland and Volker on September 9," Sondland[Taylor? SIC] added.

            © Copyright Original Source







            Jim
            Last edited by oxmixmudd; 10-22-2019, 04:44 PM.
            He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

            "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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            • #96
              Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
              Like I said. The obvious has been confirmed. From today's testimony by Bill Taylor:

              https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/22/polit...ges/index.html

              Source: CNN

              "During that phone call, Ambassador Sondland told me that President Trump had told him that he wants President Zelensky to state publicly that Ukraine will investigate Burisma and alleged Ukrainian interference in the 2016 US election," according to the testimony.
              Sondland told Taylor he'd also made a mistake earlier by telling the Ukrainian officials that a White House meeting with Zelensky "was dependent on a public announcement of the investigations," Taylor said.
              "In fact, Ambassador Sondland said, 'everything' was dependent on such an announcement, including security assistance," Taylor testified.
              He testified that Trump wanted Zelensky "in a public box" by making a public statement about ordering the investigations.

              "Ambassador Sondland tried to explain to me that President Trump is a businessman. When a businessman is about to sign a check to someone who owes him something, he said, the businessman asks that person to pay up before signing the check," Taylor testified, adding that Volker had used the same phrase.
              "I argued to both that the explanation made no sense: the Ukrainians did not 'owe' President Trump anything, and holding up security assistance for domestic political gain was 'crazy,' as I had said in my text message to Ambassadors Sondland and Volker on September 9," Sondland[Taylor? SIC] added.

              © Copyright Original Source



              Jim
              This is right in line with what I posted earlier (with a key point highlighted):
              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
              And then there's this:

              Nancy Pelosi released a “fact sheet” outlining her justification for the impeachment process. Within the justification Speaker Pelosi/Lawfare intentionally conflates investigating past political corruption/interference (2016) with the current 2020 election.

              Speaker Pelosi’s self-serving position boils down to: any effort by the executive branch to investigate prior political corruption is grounds for presidential impeachment.

              https://theconservativetreehouse.com...r-impeachment/

              Sketchy sketchy sketchy!
              So I guess the "new normal" is that we're supposed to let previous administrations get away with their crimes.
              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
              Than a fool in the eyes of God


              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                This is right in line with what I posted earlier (with a key point highlighted):
                So I guess the "new normal" is that we're supposed to let previous administrations get away with their crimes.
                On what planet? The attempts to force an investigation into BURISMA are related to the current 2020 election and Biden, 2016 is just related to general hurting democratic chances. And all of it was under threat of the loss of the security funds.



                Jim
                He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

                "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                  On what planet? The attempts to force an investigation into BURISMA are related to the current 2020 election and Biden, 2016 is just related to general hurting democratic chances. And all of it was under threat of the loss of the security funds.

                  Jim
                  This is why I cautioned you about crossing the line from fact to fiction. You state a fact -- Trump wants Joe Biden's sketchy business in Ukraine investigated -- and then start speculating -- he's only doing it to hurt Joe Biden's election chances. However, there are a number of legitimate reasons for Trump to do what he did, but you immediately assume the worse and then mistake your assumptions for facts.
                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


                  From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    This is why I cautioned you about crossing the line from fact to fiction. You state a fact -- Trump wants Joe Biden's sketchy business in Ukraine investigated -- and then start speculating -- he's only doing it to hurt Joe Biden's election chances. However, there are a number of legitimate reasons for Trump to do what he did, but you immediately assume the worse and then mistake your assumptions for facts.
                    No MM. There is no legitimate reason for POTUS to hold up security funds for Ukraine allocated by Congress over not investigating Joe Biden's son. There are plenty of (illegal) reasons for Donald Trump to hold up security funds for the Ukraine over not investigating Joe Biden's son.

                    Jim
                    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

                    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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                    • And now for your daily dose of irony...

                      The House Democrats’ impeachment inquiry into whether President Donald Trump attempted to influence the looming 2020 elections may interfere with the outcome of the presidential race in an ironic twist.

                      In other words, the Democrats are doing what they accuse Trump of trying to do: interfering in the ongoing presidential race. House Democrats launched the impeachment inquiry on September 24, months before the American public goes to the polls to elect the next president in November 2020.

                      https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...idential-race/
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                        No MM. There is no legitimate reason for POTUS to hold up security funds for Ukraine allocated by Congress over not investigating Joe Biden's son. There are plenty of (illegal) reasons for Donald Trump to hold up security funds for the Ukraine over not investigating Joe Biden's son.
                        Before you start tossing around allegations like that, you might want to get your facts straight first, bucko.

                        “The money that was held up had nothing to do with Biden,” [White House Chief of Staff Mick] Mulvaney said.

                        https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...to-dnc-server/

                        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                        Than a fool in the eyes of God


                        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                        • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                          Before you start tossing around allegations like that, you might want to get your facts straight first, bucko.

                          “The money that was held up had nothing to do with Biden,” [White House Chief of Staff Mick] Mulvaney said.

                          https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...to-dnc-server/

                          And you might want to get your head out of the propaganda bubble once in a while and take a peek to see what the actual facts are. Apparently you missed ambassador Taylor's testimony today!

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                          • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                            Before you start tossing around allegations like that, you might want to get your facts straight first, bucko.

                            “The money that was held up had nothing to do with Biden,” [White House Chief of Staff Mick] Mulvaney said.

                            https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...to-dnc-server/

                            Independent testimony from those directly involved and not beholden to trump says otherwise.

                            Jim
                            He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

                            "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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                            • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                              Apparently you missed ambassador Taylor's testimony today!
                              You mean the testimony where Mr. Taylor said, and I quote:

                              According to Mr. Morrison, President Trump told Ambassador Sondland that he was not asking for a "quid pro quo".

                              Is that the testimony you're referring to?

                              And from the honorable Rep. John Ratcliffe:

                              At the end of the day, this was about quid pro quo and whether or not the Ukrainians were aware that military aid was being withheld, and on that most important issue, neither this witness nor any other witness has provided any evidence that there was a quid pro quo, or any evidence that the Ukrainians were aware that military aid was being withheld on July 25th, and unless and until they bring in a witness who is willing to say that there was knowledge by someone that speaks Ukrainian to that fact, a quid pro quo is legally impossible.

                              [...]

                              Ambassador Taylor again, today, I found him to be very forthright. He had very strong opinions on Donald Trump’s approach to foreign policy. But, again, the mainstream media reporting that he provided evidence of a quid pro quo involving military aid is false. I questioned him directly on that. And under Adam Schiff’s rules I can’t tell you what he said but I can tell you what he didn’t say. Neither he or any other witness has provided testimony that the Ukrainians were aware that military aide was being withheld. You can’t have a quid pro quo with no quo!

                              [...]

                              The prosecution is missing an essential element of their case: there is no quid pro until someone from the Ukraine says we knew that military aide was being withheld during that July 25th call, and that testimony hasn't come, and it's not coming.

                              https://theconservativetreehouse.com...omment-page-1/

                              Last edited by Mountain Man; 10-22-2019, 10:30 PM.
                              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                              Than a fool in the eyes of God


                              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                              • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                                ...or because it's in their best political interest...

                                Impeachment is, after all, an entirely political process.
                                I'm not sure if you're being serious or sarcastic.

                                Legal experts -- Dersh, at the very least -- have noted that the Framers were concerned that it *not* be a "political" process, at least in the *partisan* sense, else it effectively makes the Executive branch subordinate to the Legislative branch, obviating separation of powers and remaking our system into a de facto parliamentary system which it was never intended to be.
                                Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

                                Beige Nationalist.

                                "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                                Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

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