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  • oxmixmudd
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    Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    Thatís nice
    Look and see how well you handle being wrong. There was nothing wrong with the link to vox, was there! It was a legitimate story covered by all legitimate news outlets.

    and therefore what is the logical conclusion to your freak outs? Did Trump work with Russia or not?
    I'm not having 'freak outs'. I'm just not responding as you'd like to your rants. Not sure what response you are looking for, but what I'm doing certainly isn't it

    We don't know to what extent he was working with Russia directly. There was insufficient evidence to say conclusively it constituted collusion. There is evidence they were trying to help him, they were trying to hurt hillary, and that he (Trump) was more than willing for that to happen, even openly encouraging and accepting such help.

    And given his attempts to secure help from Ukraine and even China, and his continued attempts to obfuscate or play down the obvious attempts by Russia which are directed at supporting him, my guess is he thinks that help is beneficial. That it helped him win in 2016, and that it may well help him win again in 2020. Otherwise - why seek it out?

    Jim

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  • lilpixieofterror
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    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Linking to vox. Really?

    I guess I assume too much from you Pix - like that you care about the truth. I just grabbed the first of a page of links covering that story (unlike the tripe MM posts from Brietbart)

    Let's see:

    NY Times:https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/08/b...-election.html
    thehill:https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...ia-meddling-in
    politico:https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...-report-040736
    CBS news: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/senate-...2020-meddling/
    NBC news: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/senate-...2020-meddling/
    reuters:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1JT2YB
    APnews:https://apnews.com/8b95a7cf7bcb4585b00c038be2257ba4

    USAToday, slate, CNN, NYpost, Washington Post, PBS, NPR, LATimes, and the list goes on and on for pages.

    EVEN FOX NEWS: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fin...te-intel-panel








    Jim
    Thatís nice and therefore what is the logical conclusion to your freak outs? Did Trump work with Russia or not?

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  • lilpixieofterror
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    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Perfect- thanks pix! So just to point out just how completely disconnected from reality and over the top irrational you are - I have ONLY every claimed (1) in your list.


    Your mass delusions are funny.

    ďRUSSIA!!!!!!!Ē

    You scream, like a lunatic, but when it comes to explaining precisely what they did or how they changed up a single vote, you back off and call others disconnected from reality when you havenít made a point. What effect did Russia have on the election? What did they do to put Trump into the WH? These are the questions you canít answer without making yourself look crazy and thatís why you gaslight me and balk on making a point. What did Russia do that put into the WH? Be specific because Russia has been doing this for decades, Democrats only started caring when their chosen one wasnít elected and theyíve been trying to win the 2016 election, everyday after.

    How you got those other 3 I do not know, my guess is you have perverted "The Russian interference was aimed at hindering Hillary and helping Trump" and "Trump has made attempts to get help from foreign entities" (re 2016 public request for russia to find Hillaries email and the now infamous Trump Tower meeting hoping to get dirt on Hillary) into those other 3 claims. But those other three claims, as far as what I have said on this site, are from your own imagination Pix.
    Itís the logical conclusion of why I should spend my time worrying about Russia and what they do in 2020.

    Not a single vote was changed. Fact.
    Most of the money Russia spent, was after the election. Fact.
    Russiaís major goal was to stir the pot and make Americans doubt the election process. Fact.

    What did Russia do Jim and what party has been doing Russiaís work? Your tin foil hat, squarely on your head while calling others crazy, undermines everything you say. Your gaslighting and itís obvious to anyone not caught up in your delusions, so answer the logical steps:

    Russia interfered in the election of 2016 by doing (blink) through (blink methods) which, put Trump into the WH.

    This is your logic, own it.

    Note also that the actual claims I have made are simply facts or are directly supported by the facts. But you hear something else, something that does not exist.
    Itís where your logic leads Jim. Own it and stop hiding from it.


    No pix. That statement is just absurd. You can't whitewash Trump into being somehow 'normal'. Trump is a person that mocks the rule of law. That seeks what benefits himself at the expense of others, even the entire country. He is abusive to those around him on a scale not observed in my lifetime of a president. He ignores the counsel of his experts, he demands those around him praise him openly - to name a few of the excesses and abusive elements of this man. There is very little about him on a given day that is normal or that reflects who most of us are - except perhaps at our absolute worst moments. What he boasts of, most of us would be ashamed. He literally has more in common with someone like Kim Jong Un or Vladimir Putin that he does any of us.


    Jim
    And again, you post your opinions, as facts, and wonder why those already not inclined to agree with you, are not jumping on board. Your opinions are noted and dismissed as such, waiting for support.
    Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 10-29-2019, 10:15 AM.

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  • JimL
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    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Linking to vox. Really?

    I guess I assume too much from you Pix - like that you care about the truth. I just grabbed the first of a page of links covering that story (unlike the tripe MM posts from Brietbart)

    Let's see:

    NY Times:https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/08/b...-election.html
    thehill:https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...ia-meddling-in
    politico:https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...-report-040736
    CBS news: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/senate-...2020-meddling/
    NBC news: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/senate-...2020-meddling/
    reuters:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1JT2YB
    APnews:https://apnews.com/8b95a7cf7bcb4585b00c038be2257ba4

    USAToday, slate, CNN, NYpost, Washington Post, PBS, NPR, LATimes, and the list goes on and on for pages.

    EVEN FOX NEWS: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fin...te-intel-panel








    Jim
    Trump, in true Orwellian fashion, did admonish his supporters at one of his cult rallies, to, and I paraphrase "stick with us, don't believe the jounalists, what you see and what you read is not what's happening." He must keep "1984" on his bedside table along with Mein Kampf.
    Last edited by JimL; 10-29-2019, 08:47 AM.

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  • oxmixmudd
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    And the evidence for the first one is far weaker than most people realize.
    Denial must be a very pleasant place. Please read at least one of the links I posted above. Fox is there, so your 'mind' probably wont be too contaminated by looking.


    Jim

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  • oxmixmudd
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    Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    Linking to Vox News, shows youíre as bias as they come. Favoring Trump, changing the election, and working with the Trump campaign are all separate claims that can be all true, some false and some true, or all false. Your problem and the mediaís problem is muddling up the waters and trying to pretend they are all true, by default. Russia interfering in the 2016 election, the Trump campaign working with them to do so, and a single vote was changed are all separate claims. Got any evidence the later two are true?

    Again, you mix opinion up with fact and wonder only those inclined to agree with you, think youíre right. Trump is not a supervillain, Clinton lost fair and square, and Trump is president and didnít cheat to win. Keep that tin foil hat on while claiming Barr has one on. Just shows what a hypocrite you truly are and how you canít be unbiased when it comes to all things Trump.
    Linking to vox. Really?

    I guess I assume too much from you Pix - like that you care about the truth. I just grabbed the first of a page of links covering that story (unlike the tripe MM posts from Brietbart)

    Let's see:

    NY Times:https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/08/b...-election.html
    thehill:https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...ia-meddling-in
    politico:https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...-report-040736
    CBS news: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/senate-...2020-meddling/
    NBC news: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/senate-...2020-meddling/
    reuters:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1JT2YB
    APnews:https://apnews.com/8b95a7cf7bcb4585b00c038be2257ba4

    USAToday, slate, CNN, NYpost, Washington Post, PBS, NPR, LATimes, and the list goes on and on for pages.

    EVEN FOX NEWS: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fin...te-intel-panel








    Jim
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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    Of course it is because youíre incapable of answer any of it.

    Russia interfered with the US election.
    Americans worked directly with Russians to put Trump in the WH.
    The Trump campaign worked directly with the Russians to change the election.
    The Russians changed votes to get Trump into the WH.

    These are all separate claims Jim, with only the first one having any evidence to support it.
    And the evidence for the first one is far weaker than most people realize.

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  • oxmixmudd
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    Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    Of course it is because youíre incapable of answer any of it.

    Russia interfered with the US election.
    Americans worked directly with Russians to put Trump in the WH.
    The Trump campaign worked directly with the Russians to change the election.
    The Russians changed votes to get Trump into the WH.
    Perfect- thanks pix! So just to point out just how completely disconnected from reality and over the top irrational you are - I have ONLY every claimed (1) in your list.

    How you got those other 3 I do not know, my guess is you have perverted "The Russian interference was aimed at hindering Hillary and helping Trump" and "Trump has made attempts to get help from foreign entities" (re 2016 public request for russia to find Hillaries email and the now infamous Trump Tower meeting hoping to get dirt on Hillary) into those other 3 claims. But those other three claims, as far as what I have said on this site, are from your own imagination Pix.

    Note also that the actual claims I have made are simply facts or are directly supported by the facts. But you hear something else, something that does not exist.

    Originally posted by pix
    ..Trump is simply a person that makes good and bad decisions. ..
    No pix. That statement is just absurd. You can't whitewash Trump into being somehow 'normal'. Trump is a person that mocks the rule of law. That seeks what benefits himself at the expense of others, even the entire country. He is abusive to those around him on a scale not observed in my lifetime of a president. He ignores the counsel of his experts, he demands those around him praise him openly - to name a few of the excesses and abusive elements of this man. There is very little about him on a given day that is normal or that reflects who most of us are - except perhaps at our absolute worst moments. What he boasts of, most of us would be ashamed. He literally has more in common with someone like Kim Jong Un or Vladimir Putin that he does any of us.


    Jim
    Last edited by oxmixmudd; 10-29-2019, 07:30 AM.

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  • lilpixieofterror
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    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Yet more ranting and raving. I guess that's all you've got. Because if you had an actual case to make, you've had plenty of opportunity to make it.
    Of course it is because youíre incapable of answer any of it.

    Russia interfered with the US election.
    Americans worked directly with Russians to put Trump in the WH.
    The Trump campaign worked directly with the Russians to change the election.
    The Russians changed votes to get Trump into the WH.

    These are all separate claims Jim, with only the first one having any evidence to support it. The rest are an invention, by Democrats, to undermine the Trump administration and to make Trump appear to be working for the Russians. Muller, Congress, nor anyone has been able to prove the rest are true. Your inability to note this is telling Jim. In your movie, Trump is the evil supervillain, ready to destroy us all. In reality, Trump is simply a person that makes good and bad decisions. Your disconnect from reality is why only JimL, Sam, Tassman, or other anti Trumpers all agree with you and you have failed to convince anyone else. You wonít listen to a word anyone says, so I donít even bother. Youíre just like the Jorge of civics, so convinced your opponents are either evil or stupid, you canít see any possibility beyond that.
    Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 10-29-2019, 06:34 AM.

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  • oxmixmudd
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    Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    Linking to Vox News, shows youíre as bias as they come. Favoring Trump, changing the election, and working with the Trump campaign are all separate claims that can be all true, some false and some true, or all false. Your problem and the mediaís problem is muddling up the waters and trying to pretend they are all true, by default. Russia interfering in the 2016 election, the Trump campaign working with them to do so, and a single vote was changed are all separate claims. Got any evidence the later two are true?

    Again, you mix opinion up with fact and wonder only those inclined to agree with you, think youíre right. Trump is not a supervillain, Clinton lost fair and square, and Trump is president and didnít cheat to win. Keep that tin foil hat on while claiming Barr has one on. Just shows what a hypocrite you truly are and how you canít be unbiased when it comes to all things Trump.
    Yet more ranting and raving. I guess that's all you've got. Because if you had an actual case to make, you've had plenty of opportunity to make it.

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  • lilpixieofterror
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    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Nice way to try to reverse reality. I gave you a response with links and specifics. You ignored them.
    Linking to Vox News, shows youíre as bias as they come. Favoring Trump, changing the election, and working with the Trump campaign are all separate claims that can be all true, some false and some true, or all false. Your problem and the mediaís problem is muddling up the waters and trying to pretend they are all true, by default. Russia interfering in the 2016 election, the Trump campaign working with them to do so, and a single vote was changed are all separate claims. Got any evidence the later two are true?

    Again, you mix opinion up with fact and wonder only those inclined to agree with you, think youíre right. Trump is not a supervillain, Clinton lost fair and square, and Trump is president and didnít cheat to win. Keep that tin foil hat on while claiming Barr has one on. Just shows what a hypocrite you truly are and how you canít be unbiased when it comes to all things Trump.
    Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 10-28-2019, 09:53 PM.

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  • oxmixmudd
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    Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    Yeah you do and over the top hysteria, is proof of that. Trump is dangerous to the world? How? Do you see him as a super villain, getting ready to nuke the world, unless the world meets his demands. Do you see how insane this makes you sound? Trump isnít a super villain, despite your hysterical belief that he is.



    Lots of opinion, very little fact. How is he mismanageing the military, state dept, and intelligence agencies? What lawless actions? What crime did he commit? You havenít been able to name one, but could care less. He personally attacks people? So? The media lies about him, but you could care less because they confirm what you want to believe.

    Like I said Jim, you mix in lots of your opinion and expect everyone to immediately agree with it and present it as 100% fact, when it isnít.



    No you wonít. Youíll provide your opinion, mixed in with fact, and present it as 100% fact when itís (at best) your opinion, with your negative spin attached.
    Nice way to try to reverse reality. I gave you a response with links and specifics. You ignored them.

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  • lilpixieofterror
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Jim, look at the language you're using here. You're sounding more like JimL and Tassman with the superfluous adverbs and adjectives and prejudicial verbage. You can do better.

    Meanwhile, Barr is actually opening a criminal investigation in which anything he finds will have to be put before an actual grand jury - as opposed to Schiff's misleading implication that his investigation is similar to a grand jury.
    In many ways, he presents Trump as a movie supervillain and wonders why so few take him seriously.

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  • lilpixieofterror
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    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    I don't 'hate' Trump. But I do believe he is both morally and ideologically unqualified for the position, to the point he is dangerous to the country and even to the world.
    Yeah you do and over the top hysteria, is proof of that. Trump is dangerous to the world? How? Do you see him as a super villain, getting ready to nuke the world, unless the world meets his demands. Do you see how insane this makes you sound? Trump isnít a super villain, despite your hysterical belief that he is.

    The evidence that backs that opinion of his danger to this country is significant. From lawless actions to personal attacks on individual american citizens to irresponsible management of our military, state departement, intelligence and law enforcment agencies, and foreign policy.
    Lots of opinion, very little fact. How is he mismanageing the military, state dept, and intelligence agencies? What lawless actions? What crime did he commit? You havenít been able to name one, but could care less. He personally attacks people? So? The media lies about him, but you could care less because they confirm what you want to believe.

    Like I said Jim, you mix in lots of your opinion and expect everyone to immediately agree with it and present it as 100% fact, when it isnít.

    I will provide specifics if you can ever find your way out of personal attack mode and into evidence based discussion.
    No you wonít. Youíll provide your opinion, mixed in with fact, and present it as 100% fact when itís (at best) your opinion, with your negative spin attached.
    Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 10-28-2019, 08:54 PM.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by JimLamebrain View Post
    Let's put it this way, Flynn himself said that "you don't plead the fifth unless you're guilty." And you don't make a deal for a lighter sentence if you're innocent either. You may be naive, but Flynn isn't.
    Let's put it this way: you're clueless.

    Following an extensive 160-page filing by Flynnís attorney Sidney Powell; including extensive exhibits to support her motion to compel Brady material; Judge Sullivan has now delayed the previously scheduled November 7th hearing on the motion(s).

    Generally this delay is good news as it provides the Judge more time to review the rather extensive list of exhibits presented by the defense.

    Hopefully, the pending inspector general report on the DOJ/FBI FISA abuse issues will be released prior to the next hearing. There is a possibility that IG report will contain background material on FBI and DOJ misconduct that will be supportive of the defense case highlighting how Flynn was set-up.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com...rady-material/

    One thing is certain, Sydney Powell is making the prosecution's life miserable.

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