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  • lilpixieofterror
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    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    I could expect no less from you pix. You are one of the ones for whom political position defines reality.
    Coming from you, that’s a badge of honor. The one that attacks strawman of my positions, makes me try to defend positions I do not hold to, and refuses to admit to being wrong and prefers bearing a false witness, is not in the position to critique others. You’re the YEC onlist here Jim because to you, Trump is the antichrist and anyone that disagrees is labeled as ‘defying reality’ so you do not have to face your poorly thought out logic and contradictions. You have become the Jorge of civics, rather you see it or not, is your problem and much like Jorge, you could make good points if you were not stuck in the ‘only True ChristiansTM agree with me!’ mode. Quite sad, really.
    Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 10-21-2019, 12:04 PM.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    I'm not sure it is possible to have anyone managing the impeachment that would not be portrayed and ultimately perceived as 'rabidly anti-Trump'.

    That is, I think position drives perception right now, not facts, not reality. If a person says something bad about Trump, they are necessarily 'anti-Trump' and the pro-trump forces will rally against them.

    It's like what happens if you are in a YEC church and you start asking if an evolutionist might have a point about something. You become 'the enemy' very fast.

    That is what Trump relies on with his base. He knows that anything he does that the media calls out will always be believed to be in some way manufactured by the 'fake new'. The idea it's actually what was reported, or that it's as bad as it appears to be, is believed to be impossible. Its the "no true scotsman" fallacy on a massive scale.


    Jim
    Jim, if the Democrats were truly interested in due process, I think they'd handle this in a much more professional manner.

    I think, because it's driven by hate more than fact, it just looks like a "we're gonna do whatever it takes".

    Yeah, I know, we're gonna disagree.

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  • oxmixmudd
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    Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    The point Jim is making quite well is that his blind spot keeps him from seeing the truth.
    And what is the truth I'm not seeing pix? Remember to support your answer with facts and not ad hominems.

    Jim
    Last edited by oxmixmudd; 10-21-2019, 11:44 AM.

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  • JimL
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Not according to the Constitution which explicitly defines impeachment as a remedy for actual high crimes, such as bribery and treason. "Malfeasance" (whatever that is) and "abuse of public trust" (whatever that is) are exactly the sort of vague, subjective nonsense the Founding Fathers deliberately rejected when they excluded "maladministration" as a trigger for impeachment.
    Wrong. What high crimes and misdemeaners are is not defined in the Constitution leaving that to Congress to decide which if you read the Federalist Papers is defined as malfeasance and Abuse of the public trust. It is up to the Congress to determine as part of their oversight responsibility to make that determination. But again, we don't need depend on that with respect to Trump. His crimes are obvious whether unpatriotic republicans like yourself, i.e those unethical, unpatriotic, republicans in the Senate, choose to convict the scoundrel or not.

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  • oxmixmudd
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    Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    I think it’s funny that the person that uses the logic he accuses YEC’s of using, is the one using it on all things Trump and doesn’t notice he’s doing it.
    I could expect no less from you pix. You are one of the ones for whom political position defines reality.

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  • oxmixmudd
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    If your point is that the Democrats should be working for the American people instead of trying to overturn a legitimate election, then, yes, I made your point.
    No - but I understand I can't expect any response from that that would actually admit the truth.

    You made my point by assuming that there is nothing Trump has done that is impeachable, therefore it is the 'Democrats fault'.

    Jim

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    The Democrats would do themselves a great service by having somebody who wasn't quite so rabidly anti-Trump to manage the impeachment.
    In many ways Trump is blessed by his enemies

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Impeachment is, after all, an entirely political process.
    A political process that, according to the Constitution, must be predicated on an actual crime having been committed.

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  • lilpixieofterror
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    Originally posted by JimL View Post
    The only blind ones around here are those of you who continue to support an obvious lawless, wannabe King who is doing his best Putin imitation in attempting to undermine democracy.
    Repeating conspiracy theories and debunked assertions doesn’t help your case out Jimmy.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by JimLamebrain View Post
    If the Senate, i.e the impeachment Jury, determines that the President is unfit for reasons of malfeasence, or abuse of the public trust, or any acts which those definitions circumscribe, then they can convict and boot him from office.
    Not according to the Constitution which explicitly defines impeachment as a remedy for actual high crimes, such as bribery and treason. "Malfeasance" (whatever that is) and "abuse of public trust" (whatever that is) are exactly the sort of vague, subjective nonsense the Founding Fathers deliberately rejected when they excluded "maladministration" as a trigger for impeachment.

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  • JimL
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    Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    The point Jim is making quite well is that his blind spot keeps him from seeing the truth.
    The only blind ones around here are those of you who continue to support an obvious lawless, wannabe King who is doing his best Putin imitation in attempting to undermine democracy.

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  • lilpixieofterror
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    Originally posted by JimL View Post
    That's an excuse, CP. The Democrats, like all good patriots, are, and should be, rabidly anti-Trump, and so too should you be. I believe that's kind of the point that Jim is making.
    The point Jim is making quite well is that his blind spot keeps him from seeing the truth.

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  • JimL
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    The Democrats would do themselves a great service by having somebody who wasn't quite so rabidly anti-Trump to manage the impeachment.
    That's an excuse, CP. The Democrats, like all good patriots, are, and should be, rabidly anti-Trump, and so too should you be. I believe that's kind of the point that Jim is making.

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  • lilpixieofterror
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    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    I'm not sure it is possible to have anyone managing the impeachment that would not be portrayed and ultimately perceived as 'rabidly anti-Trump'.

    That is, I think position drives perception right now, not facts, not reality. If a person says something bad about Trump, they are necessarily 'anti-Trump' and the pro-trump forces will rally against them.

    It's like what happens if you are in a YEC church and you start asking if an evolutionist might have a point about something. You become 'the enemy' very fast.

    That is what Trump relies on with his base. He knows that anything he does that the media calls out will always be believed to be in some way manufactured by the 'fake new'. The idea it's actually what was reported, or that it's as bad as it appears to be, is believed to be impossible. Its the "no true scotsman" fallacy on a massive scale.


    Jim
    I think it’s funny that the person that uses the logic he accuses YEC’s of using, is the one using it on all things Trump and doesn’t notice he’s doing it.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    I think you just made my point ...
    If your point is that the Democrats should be working for the American people instead of trying to overturn a legitimate election, then, yes, I made your point.

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