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  • Sam
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    In legalspeak, "I do not recall" ≠ "That didn't happen".



    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Sondland says that Taylor's testimony is full of cow patties.

    To begin with, [Taylor's testimony] contradicts Sondland’s earlier testimony in Schiff’s secret Star Chamber, and on Thursday, Sondland again reiterated that none of this happened.

    Through his attorney, among other things, Sondland told the far-left Washington Post he “did not recall conversations recounted by Taylor in his House deposition.” That includes Taylor’s claim that Sondland told Yermak there would be no assistance without a Biden probe or Taylor’s fourth-hand claim that — see if you can follow this — Morrison told Taylor that Sondland told Morrison that Trump told Sondland there would be no aid without Zelensky announcing a Biden investigation.

    So now we have entered the land of he said/he said; we have entered an ethereal world that has NOTHING to do with the July 25 phone call, has nothing to do with the transcript of an actual phone call or the word of the Ukrainian president, who has now said twice he was never pressured to investigate the Bidens.

    Schiff’s Star Chamber of Selective Leaks now resides in a land where we only have disputed conversations with no transcripts, with no evidence to back them up.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ever-happened/

    A little transparency would sure be nice.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Sondland says that Taylor's testimony is full of cow patties.

    To begin with, [Taylor's testimony] contradicts Sondland’s earlier testimony in Schiff’s secret Star Chamber, and on Thursday, Sondland again reiterated that none of this happened.

    Through his attorney, among other things, Sondland told the far-left Washington Post he “did not recall conversations recounted by Taylor in his House deposition.” That includes Taylor’s claim that Sondland told Yermak there would be no assistance without a Biden probe or Taylor’s fourth-hand claim that — see if you can follow this — Morrison told Taylor that Sondland told Morrison that Trump told Sondland there would be no aid without Zelensky announcing a Biden investigation.

    So now we have entered the land of he said/he said; we have entered an ethereal world that has NOTHING to do with the July 25 phone call, has nothing to do with the transcript of an actual phone call or the word of the Ukrainian president, who has now said twice he was never pressured to investigate the Bidens.

    Schiff’s Star Chamber of Selective Leaks now resides in a land where we only have disputed conversations with no transcripts, with no evidence to back them up.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ever-happened/

    A little transparency would sure be nice.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Sam View Post
    WSJ's opinion page has gotten dumber of late but the Editorial board knows full well that Trump's lawyers will have access to House impeachment documents if and when he's impeached, just as it knows that House minority members in the relevant committees have access to all transcripts and documents right now.

    They're just banking on enough readers being dumb or willing to forget themselves for a bit of convenient talking points.

    --Sam
    So, until then, Schiff should just keep his big camera-hungry incredibly partisan gossipy mouth shut in public, and stop lying about it being like a Grand Jury situation.

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  • Sam
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    WSJ's opinion page has gotten dumber of late but the Editorial board knows full well that Trump's lawyers will have access to House impeachment documents if and when he's impeached, just as it knows that House minority members in the relevant committees have access to all transcripts and documents right now.

    They're just banking on enough readers being dumb or willing to forget themselves for a bit of convenient talking points.

    --Sam

    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Adam Schiff’s ‘Grand Jury’

    Mr. Schiff was challenged on his secrecy on Sunday by Margaret Brennan of CBS’s “Face the Nation,” and the Democrat’s response was extraordinary. “There’s a reason why investigations and grand jury proceedings for example, and I think this is analogous to a grand jury proceeding, are done out of the public view initially,” Mr. Schiff said. “Now we may very well call some of the same witnesses or all the same witnesses in public hearings as well. But we want to make sure that we meet the needs of the investigation and not give the President or his legal minions the opportunity to tailor their testimony and in some cases fabricate testimony to suit their interests.”

    A grand jury? As Mr. Schiff knows, a grand jury is a criminal proceeding. Impeachment is a political process in which the House defines the meaning of “high crimes and misdemeanors.” Mr. Schiff wants it both ways: Run his secret hearings like a criminal grand jury, but then impeach Mr. Trump of political offenses even if the President committed no crime.

    And he wants to keep it all secret so Mr. Trump and his “legal minions”—i.e., his lawyers and the House minority—don’t have access to the evidence he will use against the President. Oh, and he says contrary evidence will be fabricated—an accusation of a crime in advance but with no evidence. With his every statement and action, Mr. Schiff is making Mr. Trump’s case that this impeachment is a rigged game.


    It's a political process, not a criminal or legal one, and Schiff knows that quite well.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    He's running the show, Sam - it is NOT similar to a Grand Jury, which he keeps claiming.
    Adam Schiff’s ‘Grand Jury’

    Mr. Schiff was challenged on his secrecy on Sunday by Margaret Brennan of CBS’s “Face the Nation,” and the Democrat’s response was extraordinary. “There’s a reason why investigations and grand jury proceedings for example, and I think this is analogous to a grand jury proceeding, are done out of the public view initially,” Mr. Schiff said. “Now we may very well call some of the same witnesses or all the same witnesses in public hearings as well. But we want to make sure that we meet the needs of the investigation and not give the President or his legal minions the opportunity to tailor their testimony and in some cases fabricate testimony to suit their interests.”

    A grand jury? As Mr. Schiff knows, a grand jury is a criminal proceeding. Impeachment is a political process in which the House defines the meaning of “high crimes and misdemeanors.” Mr. Schiff wants it both ways: Run his secret hearings like a criminal grand jury, but then impeach Mr. Trump of political offenses even if the President committed no crime.

    And he wants to keep it all secret so Mr. Trump and his “legal minions”—i.e., his lawyers and the House minority—don’t have access to the evidence he will use against the President. Oh, and he says contrary evidence will be fabricated—an accusation of a crime in advance but with no evidence. With his every statement and action, Mr. Schiff is making Mr. Trump’s case that this impeachment is a rigged game.


    It's a political process, not a criminal or legal one, and Schiff knows that quite well.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Sam View Post
    In what is Schiff "the judge"? He's chairman of a committee but everyone gets to vote.

    --Sam
    He's running the show, Sam - it is NOT similar to a Grand Jury, which he keeps claiming.

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  • Sam
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Then Schiff needs to stop trying to compare this to a Grand Jury process, Jim. He's not just a witness here - he's the prosecutor AND judge. He needs to stop running to the cameras every chance he gets.
    In what is Schiff "the judge"? He's chairman of a committee but everyone gets to vote.

    --Sam

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    I really don't know as it concerns that aspect of it CP. The public needs to be aware of what it going on.
    Then Schiff needs to stop trying to compare this to a Grand Jury process, Jim. He's not just a witness here - he's the prosecutor AND judge. He needs to stop running to the cameras every chance he gets.

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  • oxmixmudd
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    And, since Schiff likes to compare this to a "Grand Jury" hearing - he needs to keep his big mouth shut about what's going on behind closed doors.

    I'm sure you'd agree that a judge or prosecutor in a Grand Jury hearing shouldn't be running to the cameras "updating the public" on what's going on in secret, right Jim?
    I really don't know as it concerns that aspect of it CP. The public needs to be aware of what it going on. There are public statements that these people prepare and which are being released. So as long as what he is disclosing is not secret and fairly represents what it said, I don't see a problem with it. The lack of significant counter factual material from the republicans in the meetings to me says there isn't much to be added as a counter to what is being released.

    I think the reality is, Trump has been abusing his power in office. And it has caught up with him. And it's time to just face the fact he is very likely unfit for office and needs to be removed.


    Jim

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    ... is so that if any of the witnesses need to discuss sensitive or classified information to answer the questions, that information can be protected.
    And, since Schiff likes to compare this to a "Grand Jury" hearing - he needs to keep his big mouth shut about what's going on behind closed doors.

    I'm sure you'd agree that a judge or prosecutor in a Grand Jury hearing shouldn't be running to the cameras "updating the public" on what's going on in secret, right Jim?

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  • oxmixmudd
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    I mean the fact that the hearings are taking place behind closed doors out of public view.

    ... is so that if any of the witnesses need to discuss sensitive or classified information to answer the questions, that information can be protected.

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  • oxmixmudd
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    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    Once again all we hear is exactly what Schiff wants to be released. Nothing more. Hard to get any sort of accurate reading from that, dude.
    There are Republicans in the committee. I doubt Schiff has that much control over what gets out. The reason Republicans aren't leaking 'the good stuff' is that it's pretty much all bad for Trump.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    But that's okay, because we already know Trump is guilty. Now we just have to prove it.
    Schiff is acting both as prosecutor AND judge in this alleged "Grand Jury" hearing, so we can't expect the "judge" to slap Schiff down for leaking secret testimony.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Here's a video of Wol Blitzer trying his best to get Schiff to answer charges that he (Schiff) leaked information from the "secret" investigations. You can tell Wolf isn't buying it by the way he keeps asking the question. Schiff responds in a kind of Bill Clinton "depends on what the meaning of 'is' is" manner, asserting that he's not "leaking", he's "exposing".

    And, yeah, it's the Daily Caller, which may cause some to hyperventilate and immediately dismiss it, but the video is there and it's quite clear.

    Adam Schiff Responds To Trump Jr’s Leaking Accusation: It’s Not A Leak, It’s ‘Exposure’

    House Intelligence Committee Chair Adam Schiff defended himself Tuesday against Donald Trump Jr.’s accusation of leaking by stating he didn’t “leak” testimony, but rather he exposed it.

    “That’s not a leak, it is exposure of his non-cooperation and his stonewalling of our committee,” Schiff responded when CNN’s Wolf Blitzer confronted him about Trump’s allegation.


    This is why Schiff has earned the nickname "Shifty Schiff".
    But that's okay, because we already know Trump is guilty. Now we just have to prove it.

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  • Sam
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    So, why did you call it a "hairbained reason"?



    Oh, I FULLY understand the alleged equivalence to a Grand Jury hearing, in which secrecy is crucial. But Schiff isn't playing it that way, blabbing his version of what's going on and leaking testimony, while demanding others remain quiet.

    He can't have it both ways, Sam --- either it needs to be secret or it doesn't.
    I called Rogue's implication that the alleged reasoning being to prevent Trump from being apprised of the proceedings "harebrained". (It's harebrained, not hairbrained, as far as I'm aware). If Rogue meant to imply that Trump is a potential witness and might be called to provide testimony, then we're all in agreement, I presume, that such a process is legitimate. But I don't think that's what he meant.

    None of the reporting "leaks" so far have been sourced to Schiff so y'all are guessing. And guessing in a way that just dovetails into the classic "find a nemesis" psychological defense mechanism.

    Focus on the facts because, deep down, you know the process is legitimate.

    --Sam

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