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Originally posted by Paprika View PostThe traitor part is unquestionable. That he isn't a hero: do you mind establishing that? What criteria must a person satisfy to make him a hero? How has Manning not satisfied the necessary criteria?"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostWow. Just... wow.
I know you like to play the curmudgeon, but perhaps consider the possibility that we really do have a new believer here who's struggling right now
and react with a semblance of a heart for once."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Trying to define what makes one a "hero" is pointless when the recipient is pedantic to no end.
What makes Superman a hero is not that he has power, but that he has the wisdom and the maturity to use the power wisely.
- Christopher ReeveThat's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostWe're all struggling.
I did act with a semblance of a heart. For seer, seeing how he was the one being dogpiled by oversensitive weenies for no reason. Oh no, he said "it", bring out the pitchforks! Leon OTOH is the kind of guy who runs from real fights and only shows up when the other guy's already laid flat to throw in a few kicks and runs off before an antagonistic fist shows up to pay its respects to his face. This time the fist showed up early.
Leon seems pretty capable of standing up for himself. He certainly doesn't fit your description. Not that I've seen anyway. Not matching up with a stereotypical "tough guy" doesn't make someone a coward.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostShouldn't this be the other way around? Is hero something we all are by default until someone proves we're not? Do I get a sparkling sticker to go with this new designation?
What precisely is your point here?
Edit: preparing a sticker for you. Do you want it with pink sparkles or without?Last edited by Paprika; 05-15-2014, 10:23 AM.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostTrying to define what makes one a "hero" is pointless when the recipient is pedantic to no end.
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostIt is very amusing when someone, claiming that "there was nothing heroic in [Manning's] action...except for conspiracy nuts like Auggie, I can't see why anyone would regard him as a hero", cannot at all give a clear definition to justify his ruling out Manning as a hero and the strong perjorative against those who regard Manning as such.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostThere's no such thing as a clear definition of a hero. So stop being a jackass and demanding one.
If there's no clear definition of a hero, then perhaps Raphael shouldn't have been so quick to apply a perjorative against those who regard Manning as one. Don't you agree?
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Originally posted by Paprika View Post
If there's no clear definition of a hero, then perhaps Raphael shouldn't have been so quick to apply a perjorative against those who regard Manning as one. Don't you agree?That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Ok folks lets dial this down a bit. and while Civics is not the place for My Little Pony type discussions a little compassion towards someone who is struggling can go a long way into making the discussion move along without any tangents.
So please keep the personal attacks to a minimum. Remember there is a human being behind the screen.
RumTumTugger
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Originally posted by Paprika View Post
What precisely is your point here?
Edit: preparing a sticker for you. Do you want it with pink sparkles or without?"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostYes, but there are times that the struggle is especially harsh. A little bit of empathy and compassion can go a long way.
Let's see, we have 4, people including myself that said anything at all. 2 of which were not harsh at all. I only said that it was "definitely disrespectful". I'd hardly call that "dogpiling".
Dehumanizing anyone is bad. We are talking about real people whom Christ died for just as much as any one of us. He did come to save sinners, and to heal the sick.
Leon seems pretty capable of standing up for himself. He certainly doesn't fit your description. Not that I've seen anyway. Not matching up with a stereotypical "tough guy" doesn't make someone a coward."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostThat you shouldn't be asking others why Manning isn't a hero.
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostI wouldn't have if it had just been "I don't think Manning is a hero". But since Raphael made the strong statement that only "conspiracy nuts" can regard Manning as a hero, I inferred that Raphael is actively ruling out Manning as a hero. Thus my questioning as to the basis."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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