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  • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    And part of our mission is to determine which ones actually want to be part of productive society, and which ones seem OK with living on government assistance. That's part of the diagnostics, and we really encourage those who are looking for a hand up, as they say, not a hand out.
    Well, i'd suggest that the best way to go, if you have that capacity, is to do both without judging. Although all men are created having the same rights, we're not all created equal.


    Or, perhaps you're looking with a super-critical eye.
    We all have our biases, but objective facts must trump them. (pun intended) Had Trump proven my original instincts and bias towards him to be wrong, I may still not like him, but I could accept him as a legitimite (fit for the office) president. But not this guy, because he has proven my instincts and bias towards him as a human being to be correct. As a matter of fact, it's even worse than i imagined. But I do think the opposite is true, i.e that Trump supporters can't see past their bias and so continue to defend the indefensible.
    Last edited by JimL; 10-19-2019, 09:26 PM.

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    • Originally posted by JimL View Post
      Well, i'd suggest that the best way to go, if you have that capacity, is to do both without judging.
      You say that like it's a bad thing. You HAVE to "judge" - make a decision - that's what the "determination" is all about. Not judging in the sense that some people are better than others, but that some are more open to accepting help and moving forward. And, I've been in this "business" for well over 40 years, so I think I kinda sorta got this pretty well down.

      Although all men are created having the same rights, we're not all created equal.
      That's a can of worms for another forum.
      "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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      • Out of curiosity, has any other candidate advocated this, or was it just O'Rourke?

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        • Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
          Out of curiosity, has any other candidate advocated this, or was it just O'Rourke?
          As far as I know, only O'Rourke has actually come out so clearly on this on the campaign trail.
          "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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          • Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
            Out of curiosity, has any other candidate advocated this, or was it just O'Rourke?
            Only one that I know of, though I'll bet he didn't think it through first. Not only is it wrong headed, but I think it will lose him more votes than it will get him. The government, not the church, would be the one violating the wall of separation should it do what O'Rourke suggests, for the reasons he suggests.

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            • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
              I would do, as members of communities have always done, seek to change moral values that come to be seen as repugnant, such as above.
              And how do you reconcile this with your earlier statement that "It's the 'right' of every person to live according to their own values and beliefs provided it is within the confines of accepted community values"?

              What basis would you use to determine that certain behaviors accepted as the norm in a community are, in fact, "repugnant" and should be changed?

              It would also help if you defined exactly what you meant by "community". Immediate? Local? Regional? National? International? Global? Which "community" should one be beholden to morally, and why?
              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
              Than a fool in the eyes of God


              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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              • It's been discussed in Denmark for a while. Our politicians have had a watchful eye on Muslim groups, and the threat of removing tax-exemption has been aired more than once, for once that teaches anti-Democratic values. However as the zeitgeist today have homosexual unions being part of that, the Catholic Church came under the target for a bit. Bishop Chezlaw Kozon was quite willing to say that the Church will then only marry people in a religious sense, but that they'd have to go to the town hall for the legal stuff afterward.

                After that, it thankfully simmered down.

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                • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                  And how do you reconcile this with your earlier statement that "It's the 'right' of every person to live according to their own values and beliefs provided it is within the confines of accepted community values"?

                  What basis would you use to determine that certain behaviors accepted as the norm in a community are, in fact, "repugnant" and should be changed?
                  The same way that Christians did when the Christian community decided that, despite scriptural support, it was no longer acceptable to kill ‘witches’, or own slaves, or subjugate women. Community values evolve over time. And scriptural understanding demonstrably evolves along with it.
                  “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                  • Originally posted by Tassmoron View Post
                    The same way that Christians did when the Christian community decided that, despite scriptural support, it was no longer acceptable to kill ‘witches’, or own slaves, or subjugate women. Community values evolve over time. And scriptural understanding demonstrably evolves along with it.
                    I notice you're not actually answering the questions and instead trying use your own moral uncertainty as a club to beat on Christianity.
                    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                    Than a fool in the eyes of God


                    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                    • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                      So, you're keeping those tin foil hats close by then, eh? da guberment is a comin!
                      Nice strawman, so just ignore those pleased by the prospects of forcing their beliefs on their opponents or else.
                      "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                      GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                      • Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                        Nice strawman, so just ignore those pleased by the prospects of forcing their beliefs on their opponents or else.
                        Okay, I'll bite. Who forced their beliefs on you Lilpix.

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                        • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                          Okay, I'll bite. Who forced their beliefs on you Lilpix.
                          Sweety, I know you’re reaching here, but let’s start here:

                          What did Beto day he wants to do with Churches that don’t accept gay marriage?
                          "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                          GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                          • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                            And how do you reconcile this with your earlier statement that "It's the 'right' of every person to live according to their own values and beliefs provided it is within the confines of accepted community values"?

                            What basis would you use to determine that certain behaviors accepted as the norm in a community are, in fact, "repugnant" and should be changed?

                            It would also help if you defined exactly what you meant by "community". Immediate? Local? Regional? National? International? Global? Which "community" should one be beholden to morally, and why?
                            Democratically, ya dope.

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                            • Originally posted by JimLamebrain View Post
                              Democratically, ya dope.
                              Ah, so majority rules ... might makes right ... the Golden Rule: he who has the gold makes the rules ... etc.
                              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                              Than a fool in the eyes of God


                              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                              • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                                Ah, so majority rules ... might makes right ... the Golden Rule: he who has the gold makes the rules ... etc.
                                The majority didn’t seem to mind having the Jews, Gypsies, gays, mentally ill, etc shipped away.
                                "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                                GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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