Take This Impeachment And Shove It...

[Teallaura]

Actually Trump did commit crimes, but you are correct, Congress determines whether or not the President has abused his powers whether those abuses are crimes codified by law or not.

No, that literally would be an abuse of power and really would cause a constitutional crisis.


Heck, maybe Pelosi is that far around the bend - but I doubt her members all are.

[JimL]

You're suggesting that Congress can impeach the president and remove him from office even if he never actually committed a crime.

That's insane, and it's directly contrary to a plain reading of the Constitution.

Wrong. Abuse of power is a crime, but exactly what the abuse details are, are not codified. That is left for Congress to determine. At any rate that is a moot point anyway, because the President, being as corrupt as he is, has committed many crimes.

[seer]

Dem Staffer Exchanged Private Emails with Yovanovitch, Contradicting Her Sworn Testimony

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https://news.yahoo.com/dem-staffer-e...133159177.html

[rogue06]

Dem Staffer Exchanged Private Emails with Yovanovitch, Contradicting Her Sworn Testimony

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https://news.yahoo.com/dem-staffer-e...133159177.html

Read something similar just an hour or so ago.

Source: Yovanovitch communicated with Dem staffer on 'delicate' issue after complaint, emails show, despite testimony

Source

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[Mountain Man]

Wrong. Abuse of power is a crime, but exactly what the abuse details are, are not codified. That is left for Congress to determine. At any rate that is a moot point anyway, because the President, being as corrupt as he is, has committed many crimes.

"Abuse of power" is not in the Constitution. Impeachment is explicitly for the commission of "high crimes and misdemeanors", the two examples given are treason and bribery.

[Teallaura]

Wrong. Abuse of power is a crime, but exactly what the abuse details are, are not codified. That is left for Congress to determine. At any rate that is a moot point anyway, because the President, being as corrupt as he is, has committed many crimes.

If it's not codified, it's not a crime.

[Teallaura]

Read something similar just an hour or so ago.

Source: Yovanovitch communicated with Dem staffer on 'delicate' issue after complaint, emails show, despite testimony

Source

© Copyright Original Source

That's what I was referring to - I'm gonna assume you don't need the link now.

[Tassman]

"Abuse of power" is not in the Constitution. Impeachment is explicitly for the commission of "high crimes and misdemeanors", the two examples given are treason and bribery.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...hment-whitaker

[Mountain Man]

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...hment-whitaker

Look, however you want to twist the phrase "high crimes and misdemeanors", the fact of the matter is that it doesn't apply to President Trump on the simple basis that there is no evidence that he did anything deserving of impeachment.

[JimL]

Look, however you want to twist the phrase "high crimes and misdemeanors", the fact of the matter is that it doesn't apply to President Trump on the simple basis that there is no evidence that he did anything deserving of impeachment.

Well, that's the understanding of unethical, unpatriotic, right wingers like Jim Jordan and yourself, who take the side of Putin and Russia over our allies in Ukraine, but your understanding is wrong. Congress determines what abuse of power is and if there was any abuse of power on the part of the president.

[JimL]

If it's not codified, it's not a crime.

Call it what you will, it's an abuse of power. Withholding the approriated military aid in and of itself, though not codified, was an abuse of power.

[JimL]

Dem Staffer Exchanged Private Emails with Yovanovitch, Contradicting Her Sworn Testimony

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https://news.yahoo.com/dem-staffer-e...133159177.html

Oh my goodness, they said hello to each other. Lock them up!

[Mountain Man]

Democrats are signaling that they're not all in lockstep concerning impeachment.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...m-impeachment/

[seer]

Call it what you will, it's an abuse of power. Withholding the approriated military aid in and of itself, though not codified, was an abuse of power.

But Jim, Ukraine got the aid without any investigation. And three times now the Ukrainian President made clear that aid was never tied to any investigation. Schiff's response to that last week was basically that Zelensky lied.

[Mountain Man]

But Jim, Ukraine got the aid without any investigation. And three times now the Ukrainian President made clear that aid was never tied to any investigation. Schiff's response to that last week was basically that Zelensky lied.

Furthermore, several of the "witnesses" have said that Ukraine was never even aware that aid had been temporarily suspended.