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  • Take This Impeachment And Shove It...

    Good, don't give these snakes a damn thing, fight them to the Supreme Court.

    White House Declares War on Impeachment Inquiry, Alleging Effort to Undo Trump’s Election

    “Your unprecedented actions have left the president with no choice,” said the eight-page letter signed by Pat A. Cipollone, the White House counsel. “In order to fulfill his duties to the American people, the Constitution, the Executive Branch, and all future occupants of the Office of the presidency, President Trump and his administration cannot participate in your partisan and unconstitutional inquiry under these circumstances.”

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ion/ar-AAIsdHJ
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    What's amazing to me is that the Democrats have Shifty Shiff as the face of their prosecution. That's like putting Al Capone in charge of IRS Collections.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by seer View Post
      Good, don't give these snakes a damn thing, fight them to the Supreme Court.
      That's ... not how impeachment works. SCOTUS gets to decide a lot of things but it doesn't get to tell a house of Congress how to run its hearings.

      But we're certainly seeing how the "law and order" folks are shaking out, I guess.

      --Sam
      "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Sam View Post
        That's ... not how impeachment works. SCOTUS gets to decide a lot of things but it doesn't get to tell a house of Congress how to run its hearings.

        But we're certainly seeing how the "law and order" folks are shaking out, I guess.

        --Sam
        Impeachment is a political process, not a criminal one - and both sides are playing politics.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          What's amazing to me is that the Democrats have Shifty Shiff as the face of their prosecution. That's like putting Al Capone in charge of IRS Collections.
          Bad comparison. Not liking Schiff doesn't equate to Schiff acting inappropriately, to say nothing of unlawfully.

          Schiff has been one of the Democratic leaders wary of impeachment. He's got the job because 1) Pelosi reportedly doesn't like how Nadler's handling his hearings and 2) the Ukraine/whistleblower incident is, for now, the main show and it landed in HPSCI.

          --Sam
          "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            Impeachment is a political process, not a criminal one - and both sides are playing politics.
            Right, yes - it's a political matter between the executive branch and the legislative. SCOTUS doesn't really get to dictate how that shakes out.

            --Sam
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sam View Post
              Bad comparison. Not liking Schiff doesn't equate to Schiff acting inappropriately, to say nothing of unlawfully.

              Schiff has been one of the Democratic leaders wary of impeachment. He's got the job because 1) Pelosi reportedly doesn't like how Nadler's handling his hearings and 2) the Ukraine/whistleblower incident is, for now, the main show and it landed in HPSCI.

              --Sam
              It's not a matter of "not liking" Shiff, Sam - besides being an extremist political hack, he's made himself a fact witness in the process, for which he should recuse himself.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Sam View Post
                Right, yes - it's a political matter between the executive branch and the legislative. SCOTUS doesn't really get to dictate how that shakes out.

                --Sam
                SCOTUS has every right to determine if something is unconstitutional, should the matter rise to their court - that's their job.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  It's not a matter of "not liking" Shiff, Sam - besides being an extremist political hack, he's made himself a fact witness in the process, for which he should recuse himself.
                  This is incorrect. Schiff is not a fact witness in any proceeding. You're thinking of one of the HPSCI staff who directed the whistleblower to file a complaint with ICIG.

                  At the very -most-, that staff member could be deposed to assess if he or she coordinated at all with the content of the the complaint ... but it'd be a short and unfruitful deposition, according to all reporting. Schiff did not meet with nor communicate with the whistleblower, by all accounts.

                  --Sam
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    SCOTUS has every right to determine if something is unconstitutional, should the matter rise to their court - that's their job.
                    Unconstitutional how? The House has the explicit power to impeach, the Senate to try. Both have the power to set their own rules regarding those processes.

                    SCOTUS' input, if any, would be exceptionally limited.

                    --Sam
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sam View Post
                      That's ... not how impeachment works. SCOTUS gets to decide a lot of things but it doesn't get to tell a house of Congress how to run its hearings.

                      But we're certainly seeing how the "law and order" folks are shaking out, I guess.

                      --Sam
                      They certainly can decide if Trump is in the right to assert Executive Privilege. If he is the Dems would have no legal right to his cooperation. They are going to impeach either way - why hand them anything...
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sam
                        Yes, that's the exact incident I referenced. But it's incorrect that Schiff met with the whistleblower (good reminder to not use Breitbart for, well, anything). It's a false allegation, concocted to give people ignorant or partisan a talking point.

                        --Sam
                        I wasn't done editing - my laptop keyboard starting weirding out.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by seer View Post
                          They certainly can decide if Trump is in the right to assert Executive Privilege. If he is the Dems would have no legal right to his cooperation. They are going to impeach either way - why hand them anything...
                          Can't rely on executive privilege in an impeachment proceeding.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            SCOTUS has every right to determine if something is unconstitutional, should the matter rise to their court - that's their job.
                            Assuming we accept Marbury (not everyone does), yes. And the Court left this avenue open in a previous case.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                              I wasn't done editing - my laptop keyboard starting weirding out.
                              And my pain meds are kicking in, so maybe it wasn't just my keyboard -- I shall now try to revert to less intense discussions.

                              And I just noticed you deleted your response - thanks for that, Sam -- I'll try again when I'm.....

                              Thanks
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