Pelosi uses two dozen souvenir pens to sign the articles of impeachment and then eagerly hands them out to Democrat congressmen afterwards. But she's very saddened by this solemn occasion (giggle giggle).
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostAh. OK. Thanks. I couldn't find the timeline on this.
April 24: Ambassador Yovanavich is suddenly recalled to USA.
May 10: Giuliani letter to Zelensky (Giuliani cancels trip on May 11)
May 13: Trump orders Pence to not attend Zelensky inauguration.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostIf you are that willing to read into the texts such dire threats, I'm not sure dialogue with you is going to be productive. They are clearly trying to get her fired. I don't at all approve of the language they used or their disparagement of her, but when you believe that the other side is literally plotting to murder people.... Dude.
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Originally posted by Sam View PostFair question with a quick answer: Giuliani didn't go to Ukraine in May 2019. After the NYT article, Giuliani got significant heat for embarking on a personal political errand for Trump and canceled.
Giuliani had been piggy-backing on Manafort's Ukraine connections with the previous presidents. When Zelensky was elected and put a halt to Lusensko's efforts, Giuliani and Trump had to start over. Giuliani's planned May trip was the original plan to get Zelensky to reopen those investigations, along with getting rid of thea ambassador. When he couldn't make the trip, we start seeing how Giuliani, Parnas, Trump and others maneuvered to avoid the "official channel" while still getting this meeting with Zelensky. Eventually, Trump just made the ask explicitly on his July 25 call.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostSam I have a question or two. That letter from Giuliani talking about going to meet Zelensky in the Ukraine was in May. But Trump's phone call to Zelensky asking him to investigate the prosecutor was in July and in it he says he will be sending over Giuliani to discuss the matter.
So how can Giullani's trip in May be about the Bidens before Trump even brought it up in July? And if he did do so, then why was Trump bringing it up in July as if for the first time and talking about sending Giuliani over to discuss it if he already did?
Giuliani had been piggy-backing on Manafort's Ukraine connections with the previous presidents. When Zelensky was elected and put a halt to Lusensko's efforts, Giuliani and Trump had to start over. Giuliani's planned May trip was the original plan to get Zelensky to reopen those investigations, along with getting rid of thea ambassador. When he couldn't make the trip, we start seeing how Giuliani, Parnas, Trump and others maneuvered to avoid the "official channel" while still getting this meeting with Zelensky. Eventually, Trump just made the ask explicitly on his July 25 call.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostSam I have a question or two. That letter from Giuliani talking about going to meet Zelensky in the Ukraine was in May. But Trump's phone call to Zelensky asking him to investigate the prosecutor was in July and in it he says he will be sending over Giuliani to discuss the matter.
So how can Giullani's trip in May be about the Bidens before Trump even brought it up in July? And if he did do so, then why was Trump bringing it up in July as if for the first time and talking about sending Giuliani over to discuss it if he already did?
Haven't you figured it out yet that any fact that might serve to exonerate Trump is just further proof of his guilt?
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Originally posted by DivineOb View PostWould you please comment on why Lev Parnas has text messages (Business Insider) discussing tracking Maria Yovanovitch's movements, her security detail, and what plainly sounds like a plot to harm her?
Read these and give me your benign explanation. I literally felt queasy in my stomach for hours after reading them.
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Sam I have a question or two. That letter from Giuliani talking about going to meet Zelensky in the Ukraine was in May. But Trump's phone call to Zelensky asking him to investigate the prosecutor was in July and in it he says he will be sending over Giuliani to discuss the matter.
So how can Giullani's trip in May be about the Bidens before Trump even brought it up in July? And if he did do so, then why was Trump bringing it up in July as if for the first time and talking about sending Giuliani over to discuss it if he already did?
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Originally posted by Sam View PostYou're never gonna be anything greater than a toadie, man.
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Originally posted by DivineOb View PostIt is clear that conversation with you is pointless.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostSeriously? That made you feel queasy? Maybe it was something you ate.
As for a "benign" explanation, I can think of any number of non-nefarious reasons why someone might want to keep tabs on someone else, and I'm sure you can, too. I also don't see anything that could be definitively read as them wanting to harm her. "They are willing to help if we/you would like a price" could mean pretty much anything. Help with monitoring her communications? Help with staying up all night to conduct surveillance on her residence? Help with planting listening devices in her car? I don't know, and neither do you.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostSeriously? That made you feel queasy? Maybe it was something you ate.
As for a "benign" explanation, I can think of any number of non-nefarious reasons why someone might want to keep tabs on someone else, and I'm sure you can, too. I also don't see anything that could be definitively read as them wanting to harm her. "They are willing to help if we/you would like a price" could mean pretty much anything. Help with monitoring her communications? Help with staying up all night to conduct surveillance on her residence? Help with planting listening devices in her car? I don't know, and neither do you.
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Originally posted by DivineOb View PostWould you please comment on why Lev Parnas has text messages (Business Insider) discussing tracking Maria Yovanovitch's movements, her security detail, and what plainly sounds like a plot to harm her?
Read these and give me your benign explanation. I literally felt queasy in my stomach for hours after reading them.
As for a "benign" explanation, I can think of any number of non-nefarious reasons why someone might want to keep tabs on someone else, and I'm sure you can, too. I also don't see anything that could be definitively read as them wanting to harm her. "They are willing to help if we/you would like a price" could mean pretty much anything. Help with monitoring her communications? Help with staying up all night to conduct surveillance on her residence? Help with planting listening devices in her car? I don't know, and neither do you.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post"If the situation was X then people I disagree with would be doing Y!"
Isn't it amazing how unfounded speculation always seems to support your narrative? It's almost like you're putting your boot heel on the scale.
Read these and give me your benign explanation. I literally felt queasy in my stomach for hours after reading them.
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