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  • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    No. Since when do you bribe someone by withholding money?
    Why folks use bribery and extortion interchangeably here is because the Zelensky administration had something it wanted from Trump -- a White House meeting to show support against Russian aggression -- and because the Zelensky administration had something it expected from the USA -- continuing military aid.

    Trump asked a "favor" in return for both -- the WH meeting (bribery) and the security aid that was already due by law (extortion).

    How is it that people here are still stuck on issues that were explained in October?

    --Sam
    "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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    • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
      That never happened.

      As for Dershorwitz, his position hasn't changed. From the CNN link, but buried at the very bottom of the article where you obviously didn't notice: "You need criminal-type behavior akin to treason and bribery. It doesn't have to be a technical crime because at the time that the framers wrote the constitution there was no criminal code."
      Dershorwitz pretends his position hasn't changed by saying he is "more correct now than he was then". But it has. Dershorwitz flatly contradicts himself:

      https://edition.cnn.com/videos/polit...-ac360-vpx.cnn
      “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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      • Originally posted by norrinradd View Post
        how about if we have a businessman who was credibly accused of rape and battery, and yet gets elected potus?
        fify
        “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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        • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
          fify
          Cute.

          I'm willing to make a deal: Permanently disenfranchise every person who has supported or voted for Trump *and* every person who has supported or voted for either Clinton.
          Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

          Beige Nationalist.

          "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

          Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

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          • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
            That never happened.

            As for Dershorwitz, his position hasn't changed. From the CNN link, but buried at the very bottom of the article where you obviously didn't notice: "You need criminal-type behavior akin to treason and bribery. It doesn't have to be a technical crime because at the time that the framers wrote the constitution there was no criminal code."
            No, you don't need criminal type behavior akin to bribery and treason. For instance, if the president decided to take a year off to relax and play golf, that would be an abuse of power, an impeachable offence, but not the violation of a criminal statute. Dershorwitz position has changed, at least for the purposes of this defense, and so has Ken Starr's. I heard a funny comment made the other day during Starr's hypocritical speech at the trial. "Does Ken Starr know that he's Ken Starr?" The same could be said of Dershorwitz!

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