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  • According to Rep. Jim Jordan, Schiff instructed witnesses not to respond to questions from Republican committee members.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...m-republicans/
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


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    • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
      According to Rep. Jim Jordan, Schiff instructed witnesses not to respond to questions from Republican committee members.

      https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...m-republicans/
      Ooh, Breitbart and lying nutcase Jim Jordan! Must be true then. Not!

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      • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
        According to Rep. Jim Jordan, Schiff instructed witnesses not to respond to questions from Republican committee members.

        https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...m-republicans/
        Looks like the House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R - La.) is involved as well.
        Source: GOP reps say Schiff stopped impeachment witness from answering certain GOP questions


        House Republican leaders, in a fiery press conference Tuesday, said House Intelligence Committee Chairman Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., prevented a witness in the latest impeachment hearing from answering certain questions from Republican members.

        Rep. Steve Scalise, R-La., and Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, told reporters that Schiff shut down a Republican line of questioning during a hearing with Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, the latest current or former Trump administration official to come before Congress in relation to the impeachment probe.

        "When we asked [Vindman] who he spoke to after important events in July -- Adam Schiff says, 'no, no, no, we're not going to let him answer that question,"' Jordan said.

        Jordan went on to say that Schiff seemed to be breaking his own rules for the hearings, implying the chairman was acting almost as a "lawyer" for Vindman.

        Vindman, who serves as a director on the National Security Council (NSC), arrived Tuesday morning to testify before the House Intelligence, Oversight, and Foreign Affairs committees. He expressed concern in his prepared opening statement, obtained by Fox News, over Trump's request to have Ukraine investigate political opponents.

        It also states that he does not know who the whistleblower is whose complaint spurred the beginning of the Democrats' current impeachment inquiry and does not feel comfortable speculating about the whistleblower's identity. The inquiry was opened after a whistleblower complaint alleged that Trump, during the July phone call, pushed Zelensky to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter as military aid to the country was being withheld.

        "The Democrats run out here and say, 'ooh, the Republicans are trying to figure out who the whistleblower is,'" Jordan continued. "We're trying to figure out who our witness list is! The resolution that the Speaker has just filed ... she points this out in the resolution that this is going to go to the Judiciary Committee if in fact they push it there. There will be witnesses called. We would like to figure out who those witnesses should be."

        "I pointed out last week there 435 members of Congress ... only one of them knows who the whistleblower is, more importantly, who the sources are for the whistleblower who were the basis of him filing this complaint. Now he doesn't want anyone else to know that," Jordan said.

        Scalise then proceeded to attack the impeachment proceedings in general, using the latest GOP procedural complaint in a further attempt to discredit the Democrats' impeachment push.

        "It's clear Pelosi needs to declare a mistrial," Scalise said. "This has been a tainted process from the start. What happened today confirms even worse just how poorly Adam Schiff is handling this process, denying the ability for Republicans to even ask basic questions that are critical to the heart of whether or not a President of the United States is impeached."



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        Secret hearings away from public scrutiny. Republicans not allowed to call witnesses. Republicans cross-examination blocked.

        It's almost like someone has something to hide.

        I'm always still in trouble again

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        • Never mind - Democrat political theater as usual.
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          • I'll get back to you in a bit, Jim - once Mucinex convinces my sinus' that it's boss...
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            • Republicans have been pretending that the impeachment inquiry is illegitimate without a formal vote to authorize it.

              Now Dems are saying, "okay, let's do a formal vote to authorize it."

              And that's bad?
              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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              • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                Looks like the House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R - La.) is involved as well.
                Source: GOP reps say Schiff stopped impeachment witness from answering certain GOP questions


                House Republican leaders, in a fiery press conference Tuesday, said House Intelligence Committee Chairman Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., prevented a witness in the latest impeachment hearing from answering certain questions from Republican members.

                Rep. Steve Scalise, R-La., and Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, told reporters that Schiff shut down a Republican line of questioning during a hearing with Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, the latest current or former Trump administration official to come before Congress in relation to the impeachment probe.

                "When we asked [Vindman] who he spoke to after important events in July -- Adam Schiff says, 'no, no, no, we're not going to let him answer that question,"' Jordan said.

                Jordan went on to say that Schiff seemed to be breaking his own rules for the hearings, implying the chairman was acting almost as a "lawyer" for Vindman.

                Vindman, who serves as a director on the National Security Council (NSC), arrived Tuesday morning to testify before the House Intelligence, Oversight, and Foreign Affairs committees. He expressed concern in his prepared opening statement, obtained by Fox News, over Trump's request to have Ukraine investigate political opponents.

                It also states that he does not know who the whistleblower is whose complaint spurred the beginning of the Democrats' current impeachment inquiry and does not feel comfortable speculating about the whistleblower's identity. The inquiry was opened after a whistleblower complaint alleged that Trump, during the July phone call, pushed Zelensky to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter as military aid to the country was being withheld.

                "The Democrats run out here and say, 'ooh, the Republicans are trying to figure out who the whistleblower is,'" Jordan continued. "We're trying to figure out who our witness list is! The resolution that the Speaker has just filed ... she points this out in the resolution that this is going to go to the Judiciary Committee if in fact they push it there. There will be witnesses called. We would like to figure out who those witnesses should be."

                "I pointed out last week there 435 members of Congress ... only one of them knows who the whistleblower is, more importantly, who the sources are for the whistleblower who were the basis of him filing this complaint. Now he doesn't want anyone else to know that," Jordan said.

                Scalise then proceeded to attack the impeachment proceedings in general, using the latest GOP procedural complaint in a further attempt to discredit the Democrats' impeachment push.

                "It's clear Pelosi needs to declare a mistrial," Scalise said. "This has been a tainted process from the start. What happened today confirms even worse just how poorly Adam Schiff is handling this process, denying the ability for Republicans to even ask basic questions that are critical to the heart of whether or not a President of the United States is impeached."



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                Secret hearings away from public scrutiny. Republicans not allowed to call witnesses. Republicans cross-examination blocked.

                It's almost like someone has something to hide.
                Are you talking about the Benghazzi hearings, rogue?
                Last edited by JimL; 10-29-2019, 08:59 PM.

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                • As opposed to the WH vaudeville show, you mean? No, it is Congress exercising its Constitutional role of oversight re the Executive Branch. And with this president and this WH never has it been needed more.
                  “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                  • Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
                    Republicans have been pretending that the impeachment inquiry is illegitimate without a formal vote to authorize it.

                    Now Dems are saying, "okay, let's do a formal vote to authorize it."

                    And that's bad?
                    As usual, there's a lot more going on here than you realize. They're not actually authorizing an inquiry because if they did that then House rules would automatically kick in and give the minority party equal subpoena power and the President representation during witness questioning. Instead, this resolution is written as if the inquiry has already been formally authorized by the House and then seeks to define the rules of this phony inquiry in order to further hamstring Republicans and the President's right to due process, which is something they could never do if the inquiry was actually formalized by vote.

                    Or as Teallaura succinctly put it, "Never mind - Democrat political theater as usual."
                    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                    Than a fool in the eyes of God


                    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                    • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                      They're not actually authorizing an inquiry because if they did that then House rules would automatically kick in and give the minority party equal subpoena power and the President representation during witness questioning.
                      Totally false.

                      The House rules do not have any kind of automatic provision for minority party subpoena power during impeachments, and there is nothing that would be triggered by a vote to formally begin impeachment proceedings.

                      You're confusing this with the fact that past resolutions to begin impeachment proceedings themselves had language in the resolution itself granting temporary subpoena powers to committees for the duration of the impeachment proceeding. They did this because committees back then did not have run-of-the-mill powers to issue subpoenas in general, but that has changed over time and these days committees already have subpoena powers, and so do not need to be granted such powers by special resolution.

                      Those historic temporary grants of subpoena power to committees in previous impeachment proceedings never gave the minority party equal subpoena power. The minor party's ability to issue subpoenas was always subject to veto by the major party, while the major party could issue subpoenas without the minor party being able to stop them.

                      So none of what you said is true. There was never equal subpoena power. There are no House Rules that would be triggered by a vote to begin impeachment proceedings.

                      If you want to read more about the details of it all, some links for further reading.
                      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                      • Vindman attacked - the vile right wing media have bought their tickets to Hell.

                        May God bless and protect Alexander Vindman.
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                        • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                          May God bless and protect Alexander Vindman.
                          So this honored veteran has now testified under oath that he personally heard the call, and that Trump asked for additional favors not present in Trump's doctored version of the call, and that this veteran repeatedly expressed his concerns at the time that Trump's words were being removed from the summary of the call.

                          And so the right-wingers are trying to discredit him. Because their loyalty to Trump and to covering up his crimes is more important to them their respect for the troops.
                          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                          • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                            Are you talking about the Benghazzi hearings, rogue?
                            You mean the ones where Hillary testified in public and infamously snarled "What difference does it make?" when asked about why she didn't try to help or at least communicate with those trapped in the embassy?

                            And tell me little jimmy, were Democrats denied the right to call witnesses?

                            Were Democrats shut down when they tried to question the witnesses?

                            Do you want to fail better next time?

                            I'm always still in trouble again

                            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                            • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              Totally false.

                              The House rules do not have any kind of automatic provision for minority party subpoena power during impeachments, and there is nothing that would be triggered by a vote to formally begin impeachment proceedings.

                              You're confusing this with the fact that past resolutions to begin impeachment proceedings themselves had language in the resolution itself granting temporary subpoena powers to committees for the duration of the impeachment proceeding. They did this because committees back then did not have run-of-the-mill powers to issue subpoenas in general, but that has changed over time and these days committees already have subpoena powers, and so do not need to be granted such powers by special resolution.

                              Those historic temporary grants of subpoena power to committees in previous impeachment proceedings never gave the minority party equal subpoena power. The minor party's ability to issue subpoenas was always subject to veto by the major party, while the major party could issue subpoenas without the minor party being able to stop them.

                              So none of what you said is true. There was never equal subpoena power. There are no House Rules that would be triggered by a vote to begin impeachment proceedings.

                              If you want to read more about the details of it all, some links for further reading.
                              While true that the Democrats are not required to allow Republicans to call witnesses or cross-examine the ones that are called, it is equally true that if the Democrats deny these things then you cannot expect anyone to see any of this as legitimate and rightfully brand it a partisan circus.

                              I'm always still in trouble again

                              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                              • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                So this honored veteran has now testified under oath that he personally heard the call, and that Trump asked for additional favors not present in Trump's doctored version of the call, and that this veteran repeatedly expressed his concerns at the time that Trump's words were being removed from the summary of the call.

                                And so the right-wingers are trying to discredit him. Because their loyalty to Trump and to covering up his crimes is more important to them their respect for the troops.
                                And yet we have a transcript of this call and it simply does not match up to Vindman's recollections. Sounds like a simple case of faulty recollection and again raises the question why are the Democrats so eager to bury the transcript.

                                I'm always still in trouble again

                                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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