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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Sam View Post
    But Nixon wasn't involved in the "ACTUAL UNDENIABLE CRIME".
    Nor did I ever claim he was. But it's what started the whole Nixon impeachment thing.

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  • Sam
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    No, Sam ---- lemme type really slowly....

    There was an ACTUAL UNDENIABLE CRIME that led to the impeachment process for Nixon. Nobody had to go to focus groups to figure out what to call it.

    There was NOT an ACTUAL UNDENIABLE CRIME that led to the impeachment process for Trump. The Democrats began talking about impeachment BEFORE Trump even allegedly committed the "crime".
    But Nixon wasn't involved in the "ACTUAL UNDENIABLE CRIME". He was involved in covering it up but it's a complete non sequitur. Even as evidence accumulated that Nixon was covering a crime, Republicans supported him. It's analogous to how Mueller was obstructed throughout his investigation of Trump associates' criminal behavior.

    You're trying to argue that the public was able to tie Nixon to an "ACTUAL UNDENIABLE CRIME" but the point is that Republicans were not doing that until very late in the impeachment process.

    So here, with any luck.

    --Sam

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Sam View Post
    What seems obvious is that saying "There was an actual CRIME with Nixon" when the point is that Nixon's culpability in the criminal behavior leads to a non sequitur. We've gone over the federal crimes that Trump exposed himself and others to regarding Ukraine but the point of comparison are the articles of impeachment and support for removal on the basis of Nixon's and Trump's actions.

    If you're just saying "There was a burglary maybe possibly tied to Nixon" as something different, it's not a sensible difference.

    --Sam
    No, Sam ---- lemme type really slowly....

    There was an ACTUAL UNDENIABLE CRIME that led to the impeachment process for Nixon. Nobody had to go to focus groups to figure out what to call it.

    There was NOT an ACTUAL UNDENIABLE CRIME that led to the impeachment process for Trump. The Democrats began talking about impeachment BEFORE Trump even allegedly committed the "crime".

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  • Sam
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    What seems obvious is that saying "There was an actual CRIME with Nixon" when the point is that Nixon's culpability in the criminal behavior leads to a non sequitur. We've gone over the federal crimes that Trump exposed himself and others to regarding Ukraine but the point of comparison are the articles of impeachment and support for removal on the basis of Nixon's and Trump's actions.

    If you're just saying "There was a burglary maybe possibly tied to Nixon" as something different, it's not a sensible difference.

    --Sam

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Sam View Post
    So, no. The criminality of Nixon was not immediately recognized by Republican politicians or voters. And even at the height of support for Nixon's removal, almost 40% polled did not think Nixon should be removed from office. If, as you claim, Nixon's criminality was "not disputed" then that's a pretty damning indictment of that 40%!

    --Sam
    Sam, cut the crap -- I didn't say anything about the "criminality of Nixon" --- Here you are blasting everybody about ethics and honesty. I was specifically referring to the BURGLARY from which all this flowed.

    Nobody was disputing that THAT ACTUAL CRIME happened. Unlike Trump's impeachment, where it was an impeachment in SEARCH of a crime.

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