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“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by dirtfloor View PostTrump has no limits to his bad behaviour, and his base enjoy his combativeness, and they root for him no matter who he attacks; but this is very far removed from what we ought to expect from someone holding this great office. The USA is in a deep hole and it is still digging. The solution is not in the direction of more Trump.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostNo, it's actually not - it actually has a legal definition that involves lying under oath.
Trump was not charged with "OOJ".
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Obstruction of congress!
Are high crimes actual crimes?
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Originally posted by Watermelon View PostHow does having a legal definition invalidate their relationship?
Obstruction of congress!
Are high crimes actual crimes?
And, yes, per the Constitution, high crimes refers to actual crimes. The two examples given are treason and bribery.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostTrump has no limits to his bad behaviour,
and his base enjoy his combativeness,
and they root for him no matter who he attacks;
but this is very far removed from what we ought to expect from someone holding this great office.
The USA is in a deep hole and it is still digging.
The solution is not in the direction of more Trump.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Watermelon View PostHow does having a legal definition invalidate their relationship?
Obstruction of congress!
2 - it wasn't obstruction of congress - it was obstruction of one very partisan faction of One committee of ONE half of Congress, which is ONE THIRD of the branches of government.
Are high crimes actual crimes?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThere's no such thing as "obstruction of Congress". It's a charge the Democrats pulled out of the nearest bodily orifice.
And, yes, per the Constitution, high crimes refers to actual crimes. The two examples given are treason and bribery.
"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."
...the phrase "or other" would indicate SIMILAR offenses, not just anything a focus group invents.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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And, remember --- this was not the FIRST impeachment sham aimed at Trump.
Formal efforts were initiated by representatives Al Green and Brad Sherman, both Democrats, in 2017, the first year of his presidency!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Here's a shot of Nancy giving that "Don't you DARE cheer" glance to her subjects when she announced the passing of Article I...
nancy judge judy.jpg
She reminds me a lot of Judge Judy scolding a disorderly plaintiff/defendant.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYes, the actual wording is...
"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."
...the phrase "or other" would indicate SIMILAR offenses, not just anything a focus group invents.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt may not matter...
Politico outlined Democrats’ new idea, citing constitutional lawyer Laurence Tribe (but, interestingly, not the Constitution itself). Pelosi hopes to pressure McConnell into holding a “fair trial” — this, after she and her party broke every relevant House rule and precedent, and several Amendments in the Bill of Rights, all in the name of their “sole Power of Impeachment.”
They forget that a “fair trial” applies to the accused, not the accuser, and has since 1215.
Set aside, for the moment, that holding onto the articles of impeachment would contradict everything Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) and the Democrats have said for weeks about the “urgency” of impeachment. They needed to stop him before he could “cheat in the next election,” we were told — that’s why the House could not wait for the courts to rule on the White House’s resistance to stop congressional subpoenas.
All of that would be exposed as a lie.
If Pelosi refuses to submit the articles of impeachment to the Senate, McConnell can convene the Senate anyway, summon the Chief Justice, and swear in the Senators as jurors. Democrats can boycott, but they can’t stop the trial.
McConnell can then propose to dismiss the charges or even hold a vote to acquit the president.
Pelosi can hide the articles of impeachment in Adam Schiff’s basement forever, and it won’t make a bit of difference.
Case closed.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-constitution/
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Originally posted by JimL View PostIn a fair trial the accussed doesn't get to block the testimony of witnesses and other evidence against them.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostHmmm... it looks like the Democrats have more dirty tricks up their sleeves...
Seemingly overlooked by most, when the House voted on the ‘rules of impeachment’ they removed the traditional appointment of House Managers to a later date.
Normally the House Managers would be appointed at the same time as the impeachment vote; however, by withholding the appointment House Democrats are indicating they will not immediately send articles of impeachment to the senate but will rather hold the articles as support for pending court cases toward their judicial authority.
A cunning Lawfare ploy.
As interested observers will note the House never voted to authorize the full judicial impeachment process; instead they voted to approve an inquiry into whether an impeachment should take place. By not voting to authorize articles of impeachment the House never gained ‘judicial enforcement authority‘. The absence of judicial authority is now working its way through the courts in various cases.
It appears the absence of appointing House impeachment managers; and the decision to withhold sending the articles of impeachment to the Senate; is now a specific design.
As the process appears to be unfolding, the Lawfare contracted lawyers representing the House: chief legal counsel Douglas Letter, Barry Berke, Norm Eisen and Daniel Goldman will now argue before the courts that all of the constitutionally contended material is required as evidence for a pending judicial proceeding, a trial in the Senate.
What the house crew have assembled is an interesting back-door attempt to position a valid claim for evidence against the accused without having first gained judicial authority for it. The Lawfare crew will argue to the lower courts, and to SCOTUS, the blocked evidentiary material is critical evidence in a soon-to-be-held Senate trial.
The material they have been seeking is: (1) Mueller grand jury material; (2) a deposition by former White House counsel Don McGahn; and less importantly (3) Trump financial and tax records. Each of these issues is currently being argued in appellate courts (6e and McGahn) and the supreme court (financials/taxes).
The House impeachment of President Trump succeeds in applying the label “impeached president” that was their primary political purpose. President Trump is marred with the label of an ‘impeached president’.
Now the delay in sending the articles of impeachment allows the House lawyers to gather additional evidence while the impeachment case sits in limbo.
The House essentially blocks any/all impeachment activity in the Senate by denying the transfer of the articles from the House to the Senate. Additionally, the House will now impede any other Senate legislative action because the House will hold the Senate captive. Meanwhile the Democrat presidential candidates can run against an impeached President.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com...s-from-senate/
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Originally posted by firstfloor View Post..... and the last word means what?
In lower courts, they are crimes less serious than felonies, punishable by local courts, but crimes nonetheless. In government, they are considered more serious with regards to POTUS, because they would have been committed at a federal level by a federal employee.
n. a lesser crime punishable by a fine and/or county jail time for up to one year. Misdemeanors are distinguished from felonies which can be punished by a state prison term. They are tried in the lowest local court such as municipal, police or justice courts. Typical misdemeanors include: petty theft, disturbing the peace, simple assault and battery, drunk driving without injury to others, drunkenness in public, various traffic violations, public nuisances, and some crimes which can be charged either as a felony or misdemeanor depending on the circumstances and the discretion of the District Attorney. "High crimes and misdemeanors" referred to in the U. S. Constitution are felonies."
sourceThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Watermelon View PostIt’s not goofy or made up. Obstruction of justice is perjury’s daddy. OOJ is more of an actual crime than perjury because perjury’s mother is lying who is not really a crime. Perjury is therefore, only half crime and half not really a crime.
OOJ is all crime and even rumoured to have founded the ‘interfering with administering justice’ family of crimes. If anything, OOJ has a better chance of being a high crime than perjury.
Focus groups were wise to summon him.
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Also, can you please cite the law it says that the President is not allowed to seek a ruling by the Supreme Court, you know the actual JUSTICE branch of the US Government?Last edited by Sparko; 12-19-2019, 09:22 AM.
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