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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    When I perceived your comments as friendly, I responded in kind. But, I was not aware of a conscious effort on your part to adjust the overall interaction level to a positive one, and without knowing such an attempt was being made, I would not have sufficient cause to be able to know to look for a better reason for an apparently hostile post.

    There is a physical reality of the mind one must take into account here. It takes 10 instances of a good deed to counter the perception induced by one bad deed absent any other information than the behavior itself.

    So it is unrealistic to expect people to perceive a change on behavior alone except over a consistent and extended period of time. And that is true for any and all of us.

    So in hindsight I can see it, and I was beginning to notice it on it's own when you posted what I saw as a sarcastic response.

    So again, if we keep trying, especially now knowing there is an effort being made, it should get better over time.

    Jim
    I will continue to treat you like a friend, Jim.
    But I'll also try to be much more careful how I say things to you.

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  • oxmixmudd
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    No, Jim - I have been treating you as a friend - you have been lumping me in with your supposed enemies.



    Have I been making snide nasty comments to you, Jim?



    I have been treating you as a friend, Jim, if - for nothing else - for old times' sake. You, on the other hand, have been lumping me in with your supposed enemies.

    In my opinion, that would be a good place to start - as long as you're in "I'm fighting all my enemies" mode, you're going to see insult where there is none intended at all.
    When I perceived your comments as friendly, I responded in kind. But, I was not aware of a conscious effort on your part to adjust the overall interaction level to a positive one, and without knowing such an attempt was being made, I would not have sufficient cause to be able to know to look for a better reason for an apparently hostile post.

    There is a physical reality of the mind one must take into account here. It takes 10 instances of a good deed to counter the perception induced by one bad deed absent any other information than the behavior itself.

    So it is unrealistic to expect people to perceive a change on behavior alone except over a consistent and extended period of time. And that is true for any and all of us.

    So in hindsight I can see it, and I was beginning to notice it on it's own when you posted what I saw as a sarcastic response.

    So again, if we keep trying, especially now knowing there is an effort being made, it should get better over time.

    Jim

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Charles View Post
    Thank you for proving my point once again.
    You bet.

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  • Charles
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Thank you, Charles.
    Thank you for proving my point once again.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Charles View Post
    Well, I was pointing out ...
    Thank you, Charles.

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  • Charles
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Ya know, if you'd mind your own business, maybe the waters wouldn't be so muddled and those of us who are trying to speak to each other wouldn't get derailed with your incessant meddling.
    Well, I was pointing out there was a certain theme that you have consistently refused to adress. You did so in this post as well by cutting out most of what I wrote and then attacking my person instead. Somehow that was more important than what I pointed to in Ox's post:

    [...]forced separations of families, sometimes the complete loss of records or information about how to reunite children with their parents. You know about people who are under threat of death but the excessive and poorly thought out policies of this administration actually block them from seeking asylum. And you know about the attempt to get rid of medical visas where children here for life sustaining medical treatment were told they had to leave in spite of the fact they'd likely die.
    By doing so you have shown, once again, that there are certain parts of Trump's policies that you simply refuse to adress. And when others adress them you start to create a lot of noise, trying to change focus. It seems to me that the waters are muddled because some of you always need to find new reasons to not adress the points that are made.

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  • oxmixmudd
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    No, Jim - I have been treating you as a friend - you have been lumping me in with your supposed enemies.



    Have I been making snide nasty comments to you, Jim?



    I have been treating you as a friend, Jim, if - for nothing else - for old times' sake. You, on the other hand, have been lumping me in with your supposed enemies.

    In my opinion, that would be a good place to start - as long as you're in "I'm fighting all my enemies" mode, you're going to see insult where there is none intended at all.
    It takes two cp. Things have been good, but it looked to me like you had reverted. I've admitted my mistake, but I can only work on my end of it.

    Jim

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Sam View Post
    I have noticed and I should have mentioned that. Sincerely, thank you -- I know it's difficult for all of us, especially online and dealing with multiple people at once.

    I mean it when I hope you have a great weekend,

    --Sam
    Me, too, Sam.

    And every time I think of the name "Sam" on this board, I can't help but think of Ralph...

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  • Sam
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I don't get wrankled about such things, Sam.



    I just didn't feel like arguing, Sam - I don't believe you will ever change your mind once you've made it up, so it's a waste of both of our time to keep at it.

    And, I don't know if you noticed or not, but I have been WAY more cordial to JimL, was TRYING to be polite and respectful to Ox.

    I have noticed and I should have mentioned that. Sincerely, thank you -- I know it's difficult for all of us, especially online and dealing with multiple people at once.

    I mean it when I hope you have a great weekend,

    --Sam

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    Speaking of the Brits, back in the day they called that sort of bloke a "mixer." In an old B&W Beatles movie that's what Paul or John's uncle was supposed to be -- getting the group's agent and manager to squabble after he told one of them that the other is taller than he is -- on purpose.
    I'm thinking we wouldn't have near the hostility between posters if Charles would just shut his yap and stop trying to .... ( better word for Nanny ) ..... mediate?

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    He's like the creepy little guy in the bar who whispers "did you hear what he said about your mum*"?


    *Where did THAT come from, you might ask. My wife is watching a British based baking show.
    Speaking of the Brits, back in the day they called that sort of bloke a "mixer." In an old B&W Beatles movie that's what Paul or John's uncle was supposed to be -- getting the group's agent and manager to squabble after he told one of them that the other is taller than he is -- on purpose.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    But then that is pretty much the only thing he does...
    He's like the creepy little guy in the bar who whispers "did you hear what he said about your mum*"?


    *Where did THAT come from, you might ask. My wife is watching a British based baking show.

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Ya know, if you'd mind your own business, maybe the waters wouldn't be so muddled and those of us who are trying to speak to each other wouldn't get derailed with your incessant meddling.
    But then that is pretty much the only thing he does...

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Charles View Post
    I can't help but note that....
    Ya know, if you'd mind your own business, maybe the waters wouldn't be so muddled and those of us who are trying to speak to each other wouldn't get derailed with your incessant meddling.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Yikes. Even when we try it goes wrong.

    Look, in the interests of clarity I probably should have said,



    But it never occurred to me that you would consider youself having given a response to 'those issues' in terms of trying to fix the problems you described.

    Like wise, you probably should have said:

    Had each of us done that, there would not have been misunderstanding one of the other.
    No, Jim - I have been treating you as a friend - you have been lumping me in with your supposed enemies.

    CP - there is such a culture of hostility and sarcasm here things are bound to go wrong. There is no way around it unless that changes, or unless we establish ourselves as people that simply do not EVER participate in that on these pages.

    I will apologize for not asking what you were getting at one post earlier than I did - which was the first time it occurred to me you might not be being sarcastic or callous. But for there to ever be communication the sarcasm, the snide nasty comments have to stop. Because the way it is now, there is no way to be able to extend the benefit of the doubt when something said appears to be nasty, snide, sarcastic.
    Have I been making snide nasty comments to you, Jim?

    I'm frustrated this little sidebar went sideways too. I don't like it. I don't want it. At the same time, there is so much hostility as a general rule here that I am not capable of always reacting calmly, taking the time to make absolutely sure the fellow was not being as snide or nasty as they appeared to be.


    Shall we try again?
    I have been treating you as a friend, Jim, if - for nothing else - for old times' sake. You, on the other hand, have been lumping me in with your supposed enemies.

    In my opinion, that would be a good place to start - as long as you're in "I'm fighting all my enemies" mode, you're going to see insult where there is none intended at all.

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