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  • #91
    Originally posted by Sam View Post
    The story didn't change:

    In 2007, she recounted that she took graduate courses shortly before her child's birth and stayed at home for a couple years afterward.

    In 2019, she recounts that she was forcibly resigned from her job earlier in the year, consistent with NJ law at the time.

    You're talking about an omission in 2007 that wasn't germane or crucial to the discussion she was having.

    Y'all are just reaching very far out on a limb to accuse Warren of lying and I'd go as far as to say that's a sin.

    --Sam
    Yes, it did. Reading comprehension is becoming a thing, huh?
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    • #92
      Originally posted by Roy View Post
      Yes, it is far more likely. But that's not the same definitely happening then.
      I was perfectly good with the Indian thing being an honest mistake - but just how many bites of the apple should she get before we quit giving the benefit of the very little doubt?
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      • #93
        Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
        I was perfectly good with the Indian thing being an honest mistake - but just how many bites of the apple should she get before we quit giving the benefit of the very little doubt?
        As many as anyone else. (Including Trump)
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        • #94
          Originally posted by Roy View Post
          As many as anyone else. (Including Trump)
          That would been 'none' if we follow the Democrats on Trump.

          This defies credulity in my opinion. It's not a crime (well, it could be, but that requires conditions not even in view in this case - I'm mostly mentioning it because Sam...) and I wouldn't call for censure (we'd have to censure the entire Congress) but I'm not seeing the point of calling it a mere mistake, either.
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          • #95
            Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
            That would been 'none' if we follow the Democrats on Trump.

            This defies credulity in my opinion. It's not a crime (well, it could be, but that requires conditions not even in view in this case - I'm mostly mentioning it because Sam...) and I wouldn't call for censure (we'd have to censure the entire Congress) but I'm not seeing the point of calling it a mere mistake, either.
            If we follow the Democrats on this then we should already be talking about impeachment on the off chance she wins.

            I'm always still in trouble again

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
              Yes, it did. Reading comprehension is becoming a thing, huh?

              You can deal with the substance or resort to schoolyard taunts; I'd encourage the former but understand the psychological draw of the latter.

              --Sam
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              • #97
                And
                Originally posted by Roy View Post
                So Warren didn't say she resigned willingly, that was an addition by you. She might have been made to resign before she had decided whether or not to continue in that career. She may have wished to continue working (either further into her pregnancy or returning after the birth) while she decided what to do next, but was unable to do so because she was made to resign. In fact the text beyond your snippet indicates that she hadn't decided what she might want to do instead: [I]"I was pregnant with my first baby, so I had a baby and stayed home for a couple of years, and I was really casting about, thinking, 'What am I going to do?'" Except you haven't quoted anything by Warren that says she resigned willingly. That's a far more obvious discrepancy than the ones for which you are calling Warren a liar.
                "I don't think this is going to work out for me" indicates that it was her own decision, so yes, willingly.
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Sam View Post
                  ...
                  You can get off your high horse and quit pretending you have proven points you haven't.
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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    And
                    "I don't think this is going to work out for me" indicates that it was her own decision, so yes, willingly.
                    not necessarily. The not working out part could be that she didn't want to be forced to resign every time she got pregnant. You are being ridiculous. There is nothing here except your hatred for the women.


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                    • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                      not necessarily. The not working out part could be that she didn't want to be forced to resign every time she got pregnant. You are being ridiculous. There is nothing here except your hatred for the women.


                      Jim

                      The timeline would indicate that Warren was "resigned" in June, took grad classes after that and then, supposedly based on those classes, decided that the education specialty wasn't her desired career path.

                      --Sam
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                      • Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                        I was perfectly good with the Indian thing being an honest mistake - but just how many bites of the apple should she get before we quit giving the benefit of the very little doubt?
                        How about you give Warren 1/1000th as many bites of the apple as you give Trump.

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                        • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                          How about you give Warren 1/1000th as many bites of the apple as you give Trump.
                          Can you show, in all of this time, where you ever gave Trump even one nibble?







                          No, I'm not saying we shouldn't extend a benefit of the doubt because you never gave Trump one, but rather that you are hardly the one to bring that up.

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                          • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                            There is nothing here except your hatred for the women.
                            What makes you think I hate women?
                            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                            Than a fool in the eyes of God


                            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                            • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              What makes you think I hate women?
                              I think he meant "woman", as in Warren.
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • Originally posted by Sam View Post
                                The timeline would indicate that Warren was "resigned" in June, took grad classes after that and then, supposedly based on those classes, decided that the education specialty wasn't her desired career path.

                                --Sam
                                The timeline would also indicate that she took classes to fulfill her certification obligations and then chose to resign when she realized that teaching just wasn't working for her.

                                And since that's consistent with the version of the story she originally told when she had no compelling reason to add embellishments then that's the version that is most likely true.

                                So...
                                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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