Announcement

Collapse

Civics 101 Guidelines

Want to argue about politics? Healthcare reform? Taxes? Governments? You've come to the right place!

Try to keep it civil though. The rules still apply here.
See more
See less

Elizabeth Warren's Pregnant Pause

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    to be motivated by anger and especially hatred directed at an individual is an evil motivation. Or have you redefined hatred as no longer sinful?
    Is God described as hating things?

    So you had indeed assigned evil motives to my comments.
    No, where does the Bible say hate, in of itself, is evil?

    And I think you just made my case regarding the mirror ...
    Look at China, there’s our future under the democrats. Don’t believe me, show that I am wrong in a thing I said. I’ll wait.
    "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
    GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

    Comment


    • Originally posted by lilpixieofterror
      This isn’t a Hollywood movie. Plenty of people are motivated by hate and anger, some for good and some not. Emotions are not evil by their nature.
      Hatred of a people or a person is evil pix. It has produced all of the most evil human acts on record, up to and including the holocaust. Just because we are prone to an evil emotion does not remove its evil nature. But it is why Christ had to suffer the cross, and why we need His redemptive power in our lives.


      That you totally ignore the democrat party is wanting to do all these things? Look at China, that’s your future with them at the helm. Don’t believe me? Prove a single point I said as wrong and that democrats don’t support. I’ll wait.
      I dont ignore these issues you raise. It is that Trump's authoritarian and flagrant disregard for the rule of law and willingness to ignore the most basic moral principles is a greater threat to our democracy and way of life than any of all of those things.

      Jim
      My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

      If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

      This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

      Comment


      • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
        Hatred of a people or a person is evil pix. It has produced all of the most evil human acts on record, up to and including the holocaust. Just because we are prone to an evil emotion does not remove its evil nature. But it is why Christ had to suffer the cross, and why we need His redemptive power in our lives.
        So our troops, during the war against those who did that terrible stuff, are evil? Listen to their interviews, many of them do talk about hating Japanese, Germans, or Italians or at the very least, their leaders. So are they evil too?

        I dont ignore these issues you raise. It is that Trump's authoritarian and flagrant disregard for the rule of law and willingness to ignore the most basic moral principles is a greater threat to our democracy and way of life than any of all of those things.
        I like how you blindly ignore the laws democrats disregard while attacking Trump for it. What does the law say about those entering the country illegally? What does it say to do with those that do? Does it say it’s cool and you can hide them from the feds? Again, your blindness is showing. Democrats are every bit as bad as you say Trump is.
        "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
        GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

        Comment


        • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
          Hatred of a people or a person is evil pix. It has produced all of the most evil human acts on record, up to and including the holocaust. Just because we are prone to an evil emotion does not remove its evil nature. But it is why Christ had to suffer the cross, and why we need His redemptive power in our lives.




          I dont ignore these issues you raise. It is that Trump's authoritarian and flagrant disregard for the rule of law and willingness to ignore the most basic moral principles is a greater threat to our democracy and way of life than any of all of those things.

          Jim
          The reason you despair over people not condemning Trump is because he's nowhere near being the cartoon super villain you imagine him to be, and your criticism of him is so over-the-top that it can't be taken seriously.
          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
          Than a fool in the eyes of God


          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

          Comment


          • Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
            Is God described as hating things?
            God is described as loving all of mankind so much that he became a man. Lived a perfect life, and then allowed himself to be brutally murdered as a propitiation fo the sins of all mankind, even those that killed Him.




            No, where does the Bible say hate, in of itself, is evil?
            Look again. I never said hatred 'in itself' is evil. I was quite careful to say hatred of a person or a people. Hating sin is good. Hating [elvis]* evil is good. But hating people whom Christ died for, is itself evil and thus must be hated. So if one hates evil, one must hate the hatred of people.


            Look at China, there’s our future under the democrats. Don’t believe me, show that I am wrong in a thing I said. I’ll wait.
            No, that is not our future under the Democrats. As long as we have a functioning and free democratic republic, we can change our government, change its policies, change who our leaders are.

            Jim

            * I had to leave this in. Apparently I dropped an 'i' and a blank in 'evil is' or perhaps just a blank and the spell checker turned 'evilis' into 'elvis'. Poor Elvis.
            Last edited by oxmixmudd; 10-12-2019, 10:14 AM.
            My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

            If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

            This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

            Comment


            • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
              The reason you despair over people not condemning Trump is because he's nowhere near being the cartoon super villain you imagine him to be, and your criticism of him is so over-the-top that it can't be taken seriously.
              The reason you can't understand what I see in Trump is your own hatred of liberal ideas and the MSM that forces you to be behind him not matter how evil he is, not matter what things he does that are undermining our democracy.

              Trump is an extreme Narcissist. He does what benefits himself with almost no regard to the consequences to others. That doesn't make him a 'super villian' in that his motives are not to destroy others for the sake of being destructive, but it does make him a very dangerous person to have in the office of the president, as has been demonstrated repeatedly during his presidency.

              It means:

              1) that to protect himself and his ego, he will keep campaign promises no matter what the cost in human life or human suffering. We have seen that in his war against immigrants. And we have seen it as he abandons our allies in syria. We have seen it as he undermines NATO to prove he will 'make them pay their fair share' - to name a few. Think about the message to our NATO allies or others around the world: If Trump thinks it will benefit himself, he will abandon you in an instant! With one tweet.

              2) that he will not restrain himself in terms of who he will recruit to help him win the next election, be it Russia, China, or the Ukraine, and he will fight tooth and nail any and all facts that might imply they helped or tried to help him win in 2016. He has no respect for the integrity or our democracy nor does he understand the necessity of keeping foreign influence out of our elections - at least in so far as it involves him achieving his goals.

              3) that he has no respect for the moral conventions of society, no respect for the wisdom of our founding fathers, no respect for the divisions of power that exist, no respect for the importance of having seasoned professionals in the state department or our intelligence and investigative agencies, no respect for anyone that operates on moral conviction over loyalty to him (Sessions, Kelly, Mattis et al) If these things get in the way of what he wants to do, he tramples them to every extent possible.

              4) he is willing to undermine one of the most critical elements protecting us from governmental abuse and excess - the Free Press. He has adopted the strategies of despots the world over in a concerted effort to silence or at the very least to plug the ears of those that might listen. A free press is one of the critical guarantors of our freedoms, and the enemy of any that would take our freedoms from us.


              These are all FACTUAL, DOCUMENTABLE actions on his part. And these are just some of what your own hatred of the MSM and 'liberals' is causing you to fight for, to defend, day in and day out on these pages.

              Undermining these things doesn't just introduce unpleasant policies as some Democratic socialist leaning presidential hopeful might do. Policies that can be changed with the next election as long as our free republic exists. Actions like these undermine the republic itself and create precedents that if accepted and ceded to in the long run could destroy it.


              Jim
              Last edited by oxmixmudd; 10-12-2019, 10:41 AM.
              My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

              If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

              This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

              Comment


              • Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                So our troops, during the war against those who did that terrible stuff, are evil? Listen to their interviews, many of them do talk about hating Japanese, Germans, or Italians or at the very least, their leaders. So are they evil too?
                Hating a people is evil pix. That is why our wars must be defensive, not offensive. Were they evil to fight the Germans, the Japanese? No. They were out to conquer and subdue us, even destroy us. But to the extent they allowed themselves to hate them, yes, they yielded to evil. Hatred of others is evil. But that doesn't mean we don't have to fight to stop those intent on destroying us because of their own hatred and evil.


                I like how you blindly ignore the laws democrats disregard while attacking Trump for it. What does the law say about those entering the country illegally? What does it say to do with those that do? Does it say it’s cool and you can hide them from the feds? Again, your blindness is showing. Democrats are every bit as bad as you say Trump is.
                The law can't be used as a defense for yielding to evil pix. Many of those fleeing to enter our country are fleeing poverty and circumstances WE created to protect ourselves from socialist or communistic incursions into South America. Our laws and processes and immigration budgets are not tailored to deal with the circumstances we face at our southern borders. The solution to that is not to wage war on the poor and the suffering fleeing to our country. The solution to that is not to to rush in place policies that are flawed and result in thousands of children separated from their parents - some permanently - and living in border detention centers. The solution to that is not to send seriously ill people here on medical visas back to their home countries to die.

                Trump is exactly as bad as a person has to be to do these things without remorse and without a second thought to its impact on those poor and suffering affected by them.


                Jim
                My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

                Comment


                • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                  God is described as loving all of mankind so much that he became a man. Lived a perfect life, and then allowed himself to be brutally murdered as a propitiation fo the sins of all mankind, even those that killed Him.
                  Which doesn’t refute what I said.

                  Look again. I never said hatred 'in itself' is evil. I was quite careful to say hatred of a person or a people. Hating sin is good. Hating [elvis]* evil is good. But hating people whom Christ died for, is itself evil and thus must be hated. So if one hates evil, one must hate the hatred of people.
                  So what does that say about you?

                  No, that is not our future under the Democrats. As long as we have a functioning and free democratic republic, we can change our government, change its policies, change who our leaders are.
                  And yet, you still haven’t addressed a word I said. The Democrats have been taken over by the far left. If that is not true, name a thing on my list that is wrong.
                  "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                  GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

                  Comment


                  • Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                    And yet, you still haven’t addressed a word I said. The Democrats have been taken over by the far left. If that is not true, name a thing on my list that is wrong.
                    "open boarders"
                    "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

                    Comment


                    • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                      Hating a people is evil pix. That is why our wars must be defensive, not offensive. Were they evil to fight the Germans, the Japanese? No. They were out to conquer and subdue us, even destroy us. But to the extent they allowed themselves to hate them, yes, they yielded to evil. Hatred of others is evil. But that doesn't mean we don't have to fight to stop those intent on destroying us because of their own hatred and evil.
                      Why? Emotions are just things that exist that can produce both good things and bad things. It is just as easy to use love to perform evil deeds as any other emotion.

                      The law can't be used as a defense for yielding to evil pix. Many of those fleeing to enter our country are fleeing poverty and circumstances WE created to protect ourselves from socialist or communistic incursions into South America. Our laws and processes and immigration budgets are not tailored to deal with the circumstances we face at our southern borders. The solution to that is not to wage war on the poor and the suffering fleeing to our country. The solution to that is not to to rush in place policies that are flawed and result in thousands of children separated from their parents - some permanently - and living in border detention centers. The solution to that is not to send seriously ill people here on medical visas back to their home countries to die.
                      And some are not, you just want to manipulate people’s emotions to excuse away people breaking our laws and you excuse it away with, “Well their escaping things!” We have had and do have members here that are from Latin America Jim. It isn’t just filled with destruction as far as the eye can see, it has middle class families living there too. You can’t help everyone, you don’t like how your homeland is ran, try to fix your homeland. And you still avoid my major point, the Democrats don’t care, they want them sent to red cities, districts, and states to turn them blue. Sorry, but we have laws and if you don’t like the current immigration laws, change them or else you’re no better than your cartoon version of Trump.

                      Trump is exactly as bad as a person has to be to do these things without remorse and without a second thought to its impact on those poor and suffering affected by them.
                      “I don’t like the laws, so I want them ignored, but Trump ignores laws!!!”

                      Your hypocrisy is showing.
                      "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                      GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

                      Comment


                      • Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                        Which doesn’t refute what I said.
                        Actually, it does. You would apparently seek to justify hating others because there are verses in the Bible where God is described as hating something. The fact God is described as hating evil, or even a person, does not in any way justify a human hating another human being. God loves all mankind is the message of Christ. And we can do no less.

                        So what does that say about you?
                        It says I do not hate Donald Trump - even though many of the things he does are wrong, even evil. And I certainly am against those things and I will not be silent in my rebuke of them.


                        And yet, you still haven’t addressed a word I said. The Democrats have been taken over by the far left. If that is not true, name a thing on my list that is wrong.
                        I have quite clearly. I said that what Trump is doing is far more dangerous to our republic than those things you list. But you were not listening, or perhaps didn't read my full post.


                        Jim
                        My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                        If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                        This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

                        Comment


                        • Originally posted by Sam View Post
                          "open boarders"
                          Making fun of those with disabilities, eh Sam?
                          "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                          GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

                          Comment


                          • Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                            Making fun of those with disabilities, eh Sam?
                            I'm referring to the first item on your list; wasn't making fun of the spelling mistake. Those mistakes happen legitimately -- fantasizing that the Democratic party has advocated or is advocating for an open border does not.
                            "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

                            Comment


                            • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                              Actually, it does. You would apparently seek to justify hating others because there are verses in the Bible where God is described as hating something. The fact God is described as hating evil, or even a person, does not in any way justify a human hating another human being. God loves all mankind is the message of Christ. And we can do no less.
                              And yet, God is described as hating those that engage in evil. Ever read about the liberation of the death camps and the things found within? General Patton refused to visit some parts of liberated camps and he wasn’t known to be emotional and had witnessed more than his fair share of gore. I have to say, I can’t find much fault in the first allied solders that liberated these camps for their reaction.

                              It says I do not hate Donald Trump - even though many of the things he does are wrong, even evil. And I certainly am against those things and I will not be silent in my rebuke of them.
                              Show us on the doll where Trump hurt you.

                              I have quite clearly. I said that what Trump is doing is far more dangerous to our republic than those things you list. But you were not listening, or perhaps didn't read my full post.
                              And you’re wrong. Enjoy being a serf.
                              "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                              GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

                              Comment


                              • Originally posted by Sam View Post
                                I'm referring to the first item on your list; wasn't making fun of the spelling mistake. Those mistakes happen legitimately -- fantasizing that the Democratic party has advocated or is advocating for an open border does not.
                                So sanctuary cities are...
                                "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                                GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

                                Comment

                                Related Threads

                                Collapse

                                Topics Statistics Last Post
                                Started by little_monkey, Yesterday, 04:19 PM
                                7 responses
                                61 views
                                0 likes
                                Last Post Sparko
                                by Sparko
                                 
                                Started by whag, 03-26-2024, 04:38 PM
                                42 responses
                                244 views
                                0 likes
                                Last Post whag
                                by whag
                                 
                                Started by rogue06, 03-26-2024, 11:45 AM
                                25 responses
                                106 views
                                0 likes
                                Last Post rogue06
                                by rogue06
                                 
                                Started by Hypatia_Alexandria, 03-26-2024, 09:21 AM
                                33 responses
                                194 views
                                0 likes
                                Last Post Roy
                                by Roy
                                 
                                Started by Hypatia_Alexandria, 03-26-2024, 08:34 AM
                                73 responses
                                324 views
                                0 likes
                                Last Post Hypatia_Alexandria  
                                Working...
                                X