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Trump obstruction of Congress continues.
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Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by JimL View Post
2) Too bad it's only an opinion piece (as opposed to an actual news story) by jonathan-chait, who seems to write exclusively "I hate Trump" hit pieces.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by seer View PostAnd Clinton would have obstructed them at every turn (like destroying e-mails and hard drives) and you would have cheered! None of this is about principle Sam and you know it - it is about hating and getting Trump at any cost.
In any event, your talking point ("Democrats have just wanted to impeach Trump from the beginning!") is invalid; it doesn't implicate Democrats any more than Republicans and doesn't matter, anyway. The rule of law supersedes partisan winning or losing.
-Sam"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Sam View PostYes; Sonderland has no diplomatic experience but did donate $1 million to Trump's inaugural fund.
Paid ambassadorships are common and a bi-partisan example of corruption. Elizabeth Warren, though, has pledged to end the practice.
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sam View PostI would expect Clinton to comply with the law, reserving executive privilege to its traditional role, and to comply with subpoenas relating to impeachment, regardless.
In any event, your talking point ("Democrats have just wanted to impeach Trump from the beginning!") is invalid; it doesn't implicate Democrats any more than Republicans and doesn't matter, anyway. The rule of law supersedes partisan winning or losing.
-SamAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostNonsense Sam - what law are you taking about? What law did Trump break - be specific please...
--Sam"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Sam View PostYou're getting glitched out on the talking points. I said "comply with the law" and "rule of law", neither of which implies that I'm talking about Trump's potential criminal violations (outside of noncompliance with subpoenas).
--SamAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostYou were talking about the rule of law - so which law did he break? Or admit this is a partisan fishing expedition...
SAM: "The President should comply with the rule of law in regards to Congressional subpoenas."
SEER: "Oh? What law did he break?"
SAM: "That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about compliance with subpoenas during an impeachment inquiry."
SEER: "So what law did he break?!"
That's a glitch, alright.
--Sam"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Sam View PostYes; Sonderland has no diplomatic experience but did donate $1 million to Trump's inaugural fund.
Paid ambassadorships are common and a bi-partisan example of corruption.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Sam View PostSAM: "The President should comply with the rule of law in regards to Congressional subpoenas."
SEER: "Oh? What law did he break?"
SAM: "That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about compliance with subpoenas during an impeachment inquiry."
SEER: "So what law did he break?!"
That's a glitch, alright.
--SamAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Roy View PostThank you. I never knew that. I wonder if he's recouping his outlay?
--Sam"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by seer View PostSo you still have not answered the question. You have an impeachment process not based on any known violation of law. Yep Trump should comply to this partisan fishing expedition - not!
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Originally posted by Sam View Post...(outside of noncompliance with subpoenas).
It helps to actually stay informed about this stuff.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by JimL View PostIt's called contempt of Congress, seer. It is the obligation of Congress to investigate the possible abuses of office of the Executive, and non compliance to the issuance of a subpoena is itself a crime, and that is called obstruction of justice.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostSo when Obama and Clinton did the same thing (obstruct Congress) using Executive privilege did you get your panties in a wad then? No Jim, I suspect you were cheering them on. So please stop feigning outrage.
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