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  • #46
    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Heck, people still don't have any idea what impeachment is. A lot of folks think it is synonymous with "remove from office".
    Yup.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
      Not whether he should, but what do you think is the likelihood of this?
      He will be impeached by the House of Representatives for numerous violation of laws by the Emperor, but obviously not convicted by the Senate because of the check warming devotion to the Emperor.
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      • #48
        Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
        He will be impeached by the House of Repiresentatives for numerous violation of laws by the Emperor, but obviously not convicted by the Senate because of the check warming devotion to the Emperor.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
          As I said in response to a similar poll in another thread, it all depends on the question being and since "If Trump committed a crime, should he be impeached?" will get a far different result than "Do you believe Trump is guilty of a crime for which he should be impeached?"
          How about if the question is simply "Do you think Trump should be impeach"? or "Are you in favor or against Trump being impeached"?

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
            Heck, people still don't have any idea what impeachment is. A lot of folks think it is synonymous with "remove from office".
            Well, then the rising percentage for removal would be even worse news for the president.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by JimL View Post
              How about if the question is simply "Do you think Trump should be impeach"? or "Are you in favor or against Trump being impeached"?
              Depends - are you after desire for impeachment or conviction that impeachment is justified? The first question will get preference, not conviction. The second is improperly worded (this or that) and wouldn't be used (giving a choice in the question risks confusion so pollsters avoid it, that's all).
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              • #52
                Originally posted by JimL View Post
                Well, then the rising percentage for removal would be even worse news for the president.
                Er, not really - mostly Dems and independents are responding that way so it's likely just preference.
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
                  I suppose I should update my question to include the follow-up: assuming he's impeached, how likely is it that he'll be actually removed from office?
                  I think the most likely future is that the House votes to impeach him. Then the Republican senators will want to avoid being on the record voting either way: They won't want to upset their base by voting against Trump and they won't want to upset independents by voting to let him off if he's obviously guilty. Its lose-lose for them if it gets to the Senate. So what they'll do is go to Trump and negotiate his resignation in exchange for a pardon. Trump will balk, so they'll have to pressure him.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Jim B. View Post
                    You've got it the wrong way around. The Republican party is destroyed for a generation if they stick with Trump.
                    Unfortunately the Republican party doesn't seem to pay any long-term electoral price for putting terrible people into power. Their voting base is so rabid and brainwashed they just keep voting for more crazy.

                    We thought they'd scraped the bottom of the barrel with Bush, who made the US an international laughingstock, instituted a torture program, and destroyed the world economy. Then they hit us with Trump and his Swamp cabinet.

                    And they just can't seem to stop electing people who commit crimes. It seems there's something fundamentally broken and fundamentally criminal in the US right-wing mindset:


                    Meanwhile they are so indoctrinated and that they froth at the mouth about supposed crimes by Democrats, which always turn out to be absurd conspiracy theories with no basis in reality, and actually really truly believe that their party stands for law and order and patriotism. Their insanity is off the charts.
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                    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      Unfortunately the Republican party doesn't seem to pay any long-term electoral price for putting terrible people into power. Their voting base is so rabid and brainwashed they just keep voting for more crazy.
                      Star, what you don't seem to realize is that BOTH parties seem to be scraping the bottom of the barrel to put the nuttiest and wackiest people in power, and the Democrats are also voting for more crazy.

                      The only difference is that the extreme nutty liberals happen to be your flavor.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        Star, what you don't seem to realize is that BOTH parties seem to be scraping the bottom of the barrel to put the nuttiest and wackiest people in power, and the Democrats are also voting for more crazy.
                        LOL, keep telling yourself that.
                        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                          Star, what you don't seem to realize is that BOTH parties seem to be scraping the bottom of the barrel to put the nuttiest and wackiest people in power, and the Democrats are also voting for more crazy.

                          The only difference is that the extreme nutty liberals happen to be your flavor.
                          Perhaps we need to return to the original way of choosing presidents where state legislators chose the electors. Might curtail a lot of the nuttiness and nastiness that has come to define presidential elections.
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                          Than a fool in the eyes of God


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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            LOL, keep telling yourself that.
                            I don't have to - I see it on both sides, and I'm not just peeking in from a far away (albeit it beautiful) foreign land.
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                              I don't have to - I see it on both sides, and I'm not just peeking in from a far away (albeit it beautiful) foreign land.
                              I think if you weren't so close to it, you'd be able to see the two US parties are fundamentally not the same. One keeps committing crimes. The other just doesn't. I get that you might be confused on the subject, because the right-wing propaganda outlets keep generating conspiracies daily about supposed crimes by Democrats... the thing is, they just never turn out to be actually true, as reflected in the almost complete lack of indictments against almost any Democratic administration officials whatsoever in the last 50 years. And before you say, "well maybe the Dems just need to be investigated harder, then their true crimes would be revealed", remember the Republicans did eight (!) investigations into Benghazi and were forced to eventually admit they found no criminal wrongdoing.

                              Both parties do a pretty average job of pursuing policies their base likes. Both parties have issues regarding how much they are influenced by lobbyists. Both parties have people who say some silly things at times. Although Trump has set new records with regard to frequency of open-mouth-insert-foot. But where the really big difference comes is that one party is pretty good at consistently following the law, and the other party is pretty consistent at being criminal. There seems to be no ethical line Republican politicians won't repeatedly cross, no law they're not happy to break, and no election they're not happy to sabotage and cheat in. As an international observer of politics in multiple countries, I can say it's totally not normal for a party to be that systemically criminal - there's something really really wrong with how consistently and serially prone US Republicans are to political misconduct in office. It really stands out. It's not just a case of one person doing it... it's a case of massively widespread misconduct in the party and a consistent tolerance of that misconduct throughout the party and from its voter base, and an almost complete lack of interest in doing anything about it.

                              Whenever the attention of right-wingers is brought to this, instead of it leading to them wanting to clean up their party and implement new standards to ensure their party doesn't do it again, they just shrug it off by appealing to their misconception that the Democrats do worse. They seem to feel that as long as they can imagine that the Dems might be as bad, they don't need to make the least effort whatsoever to stop their own party from committing crimes or do anything whatsoever about such crimes. This attitude itself is the problem, because it results in the Republican politicians knowing they can get away with anything. And I see this attitude reflected in your post above, as you wrongly assert that the Dems are just as bad. They just aren't. And that disconnection from reality in the minds of Republican voters is a huge problem for the US.
                              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                I think if you weren't so close to it, you'd be able to see the two US parties are fundamentally not the same
                                No foolin - one of them actually believes in the killing of the unborn, and many of that party even believe there should be no restrictions. And some of the wackier members believe it's even ok to kill newly born babies.
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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