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Trump declares himself above the law.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt just amazes me that the hatred for Trump is so intense that it would cause otherwise highly intelligent people to jump to such unfounded conclusions.
Again, I completely understand why JimL would buy this crap - he has repeatedly demonstrated an profound ignorance of law and legal procedure.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt is simply the intense hatred for Trump that causes this ill-founded attempt to equate him with Al Capone. I would have expected that from JimL.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThe biggest problem with this case is that there is no probable cause to think a crime was ever committed. The state of New York is basically asking the court to approve a fishing expedition.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostIf it is impossible to gather evidence to show the President has done something against the law, then he is effectively above the law. Trump is taking this idea to the absolute extreme by refusing not only State subpoena's, but congressional subpeona's - thwarting the only remaining avenue of checking the Presidents power - impeachment. At this time, unless the courts act to rebuff him, President Trump has pushed the line to the point he is above the law. Yet MM (and others?) are DEFENDING the idea.
Our republic cannot survive if its fundamental principles are violated - especially the principle of separation of powers and checks and balances. Annoying as it might be when those checks get 'in the way' of what our particular party or group might want to happen, we can't yield or give in to the temptation to abandon them for convenience. We can not let any one entity of the three branches (especially the executive branch) be above the law or be without the capacity to be removed or stopped if they go rogue. That path leads to unchecked single person rule. And that would be very, very bad. Trump must yield to the congressional subpoena's, and if he won't, we the people must reject that move and take the steps necessary to let the white house know this is not acceptable and force him to comply. This is not a dictatorship or monarchy and we do NOT want it to head in that direction.
Jim
If he has cheated on his taxes, I am all for the IRS to go after him directly. He is being audited right now.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostDoesn't matter whether they say those words. If the information that would show the president has violated the law can't be gathered, then no charges can be brought against him, either in the courts or in the congress (impeachment) and he is then effectively above the law.
Jim
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostAnd his tax returns are going to reveal a crime, how?
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostTrump has been running his business since the 70’s. So in what? 40+ years the IRS failed to notice that Trump was running a massive criminal empire? The more likely answer is they want Trump’s tax returns so they can ‘leak’ them or leak bits and pieces of them.
I have a feeling that interest in his "illegal activities" will substantially decrease once he's out of office. That's what this whole thing is -- HATE TRUMP - KICK HIM OUT!
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt is simply the intense hatred for Trump that causes this ill-founded attempt to equate him with Al Capone. I would have expected that from JimL.
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostThe sequence is:
1. Supreme Court rules income from illegal alcohol sales is still taxable income.
2. The fed couldn’t bust Capone on anything else, so they charged the IRS to prove tax evasion.
3. They built a case that Capone had earned millions of dollars and had not filed a tax return.
4. Capone goes to jail.
So basically, Jim is saying that the IRS is too stupid to have noticed that Trump has done the same. It’s pretty much a conspiracy theory that is based on the belief Trump is guilty and we need to keep searching till we prove it.
Again, I completely understand why JimL would buy this crap - he has repeatedly demonstrated an profound ignorance of law and legal procedure.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAl Capone was prosecuted and convicted on tax evasion - for not filing tax returns. It was not because he refused to make them public.
1. Supreme Court rules income from illegal alcohol sales is still taxable income.
2. The fed couldn’t bust Capone on anything else, so they charged the IRS to prove tax evasion.
3. They built a case that Capone had earned millions of dollars and had not filed a tax return.
4. Capone goes to jail.
So basically, Jim is saying that the IRS is too stupid to have noticed that Trump has done the same. It’s pretty much a conspiracy theory that is based on the belief Trump is guilty and we need to keep searching till we prove it.
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostAs I recall, it was a the IRS that did the leg work on Capone. Since, as far as I know, the IRS hasn’t arrested Trump for tax fraud, what are you saying? That the IRS is incompetent and congress needs to help them out? Has the IRS had an issue? Had the New York State tax office had an issue? If not, where is your just cause for seeing Trump’s tax returns?
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThe same way they put Al Capone in prison.
Jim
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Al Capone was prosecuted and convicted on tax evasion - for not filing tax returns. It was not because he refused to make them public.
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