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  • Trump declares himself above the law.

    Well, well well, the wannabe dictator is putting his cards on the table. According to the presidents lawyers in a suit filed in N.Y. regarding the release of his taxes, the president can not be investigated or prosecuted for any reason. So he now believes that he really can shoot someone in broad daylight and not be prosecuted regardless. Not only that, but the lawsuit asserts that the criminality of all of those around him as well as that of his companies can't be investigated or prosecuted either. Have you woke yet Trumpsters?
    Last edited by JimL; 09-19-2019, 11:09 PM.

  • #2
    Originally posted by JimL View Post
    Well, well well, the wannabe dictator is putting his cards on the table. According to the presidents lawyers in a suit filed in N.Y. regarding the release of his taxes, the president can not be investigated or prosecuted for any reason. So he now believes that he really can shoot someone in broad daylight and not be prosecuted regardless. Not only that, but the lawsuit asserts that the criminality of all of those around him as well as that of his companies can't be investigated or prosecuted either. Have you woke yet Trumpsters?
    I had heard about that. Sounds exactly like what I said was the situation in the other thread that people here were mocking me for. Will they wake up now?
    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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    • #3
      Now, the rest of the story...

      The lawsuit, filed in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, names Vance and the president's tax preparer, Mazars USA, as defendants. It argues that the Manhattan district attorney should not receive Trump's tax returns because "'[v]irtually all legal commenters agree' that a sitting President of the United States is not 'subject to the criminal process' while he is in office.”

      “The framers of our Constitution understood that state and local prosecutors would be tempted to criminally investigate the President to advance their own careers and to advance their political agendas,” the lawsuit adds. "And they likewise understood that having to defend against these actions would distract the President from his constitutional duties. That is why the Framers eliminated this possibility and assigned the task to supermajorities of Congress acting with the imprimatur of the nation as a whole."

      Jay Sekulow, the president's lawyer, commented on the constitutionality of Vance's probe in a statement Thursday, saying, “In response to the subpoenas issued by the New York County District Attorney, we have filed a lawsuit this morning in Federal Court on behalf of the President in order to address the significant constitutional issues at stake in this case."

      https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...s-tax-returns/
      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
      Than a fool in the eyes of God


      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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      • #4
        This is just another underhanded attempt to get Trump's tax returns and he is blocking it. How is that him being a dictator or above the law?

        Proud Member of Da Blonde's Axis of Evil, Adam's Dirty Dozen, Dee Dee's Goon Squad, Tweb's In-Crowd, The Brood of Vipers & Exorcised by Ty & Dee Dee, and the only person who ever banned rogue06!

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        • #5
          I had no doubt you'd defend the idea the president is above the law - IF trump stood behind it.

          And yet when I pointed out Trump's capacity to keep congress at bay over these subpoena's puts himself above the law, we had this from maxvel just a day ago with lots of amens from the peanut gallery - including you:

          Originally posted by maxvel
          Who here has said that Trump is above the law? People not agreeing with you that a particular act Trump is accused of is actually breaking the law IS NOT the same as them saying he is above the law.
          You persist in this kind of misrepresentation of other's positions; attack their integrity, morality and question their very salvation on the basis of that misrepresentation; and then act surprised when they attack you in response.
          So - when I point out that Trump is positioning himself to be above the law, the idea is mocked. "What moron would say such a thing?" being the implication.

          And yet - when TRUMP actually invokes the idea FOR REAL, you say "Oh, that's what the framers intended all along ..."

          I know you can't see the ... what is the word for that ... oh yes 'hypocrisy', but nevertheless, Trump again proves he is right about those that follow him. The is no principle violated, no immoral deed too low.


          Jim
          He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

          "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            This is just another underhanded attempt to get Trump's tax returns and he is blocking it. How is that him being a dictator or above the law?
            If it is impossible to gather evidence to show the President has done something against the law, then he is effectively above the law. Trump is taking this idea to the absolute extreme by refusing not only State subpoena's, but congressional subpeona's - thwarting the only remaining avenue of checking the Presidents power - impeachment. At this time, unless the courts act to rebuff him, President Trump has pushed the line to the point he is above the law. Yet MM (and others?) are DEFENDING the idea.

            Our republic cannot survive if its fundamental principles are violated - especially the principle of separation of powers and checks and balances. Annoying as it might be when those checks get 'in the way' of what our particular party or group might want to happen, we can't yield or give in to the temptation to abandon them for convenience. We can not let any one entity of the three branches (especially the executive branch) be above the law or be without the capacity to be removed or stopped if they go rogue. That path leads to unchecked single person rule. And that would be very, very bad. Trump must yield to the congressional subpoena's, and if he won't, we the people must reject that move and take the steps necessary to let the white house know this is not acceptable and force him to comply. This is not a dictatorship or monarchy and we do NOT want it to head in that direction.


            Jim
            Last edited by oxmixmudd; 09-20-2019, 08:45 AM.
            He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

            "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
              This is just another underhanded attempt to get Trump's tax returns and he is blocking it. How is that him being a dictator or above the law?
              Trump's lawyers also never said or implied that the President was above the law. The argument is that the Constitution protects the president from frivolous and politically motivated lawsuits, and that the responsibility is on Congress to take action if they determine it's necessary.
              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
              Than a fool in the eyes of God


              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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              • #8
                Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                If it is impossible to gather evidence to show the President has done something against the law, then he is effectively above the law. Trump is taking this idea to the absolute extreme by refusing not only State subpoena's, but congressional subpeona's - thwarting the only remaining avenue of checking the Presidents power - impeachment. At this time, unless the courts act to rebuff him, President Trump has pushed the line to the point he is above the law. Yet MM (and others?) are DEFENDING the idea.

                Our republic cannot survive if its fundamental principles are violated - especially the principle of separation of powers and checks and balances. Annoying as it might be when those checks get 'in the way' of what our particular party or group might want to happen, we can't yield or give in to the temptation to abandon them for convenience. We can not let any one entity of the three branches (especially the executive branch) be above the law or be without the capacity to be removed or stopped if they go rogue. That path leads to unchecked single person rule. And that would be very, very bad. Trump must yield to the congressional subpoena's, and it he won't, we the people must reject that move and take the steps necessary to let the white house know this is not acceptable and force him to comply. This is not a dictatorship or monarchy and we do NOT want it to head in that direction.


                Jim
                And his tax returns are going to reveal a crime, how?
                "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                  Trump's lawyers also never said or implied that the President was above the law. The argument is that the Constitution protects the president from frivolous and politically motivated lawsuits, and that the responsibility is on Congress to take action if they determine it's necessary.
                  Doesn't matter whether they say those words. If the information that would show the president has violated the law can't be gathered, then no charges can be brought against him, either in the courts or in the congress (impeachment) and he is then effectively above the law.

                  Jim
                  He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

                  "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                    And his tax returns are going to reveal a crime, how?
                    The same way they put Al Capone in prison.

                    Jim
                    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

                    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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                    • #11
                      Al Capone was prosecuted and convicted on tax evasion - for not filing tax returns. It was not because he refused to make them public.
                      "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                        The same way they put Al Capone in prison.

                        Jim
                        As I recall, it was a the IRS that did the leg work on Capone. Since, as far as I know, the IRS hasn’t arrested Trump for tax fraud, what are you saying? That the IRS is incompetent and congress needs to help them out? Has the IRS had an issue? Had the New York State tax office had an issue? If not, where is your just cause for seeing Trump’s tax returns?
                        "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                        GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                          As I recall, it was a the IRS that did the leg work on Capone. Since, as far as I know, the IRS hasn’t arrested Trump for tax fraud, what are you saying? That the IRS is incompetent and congress needs to help them out? Has the IRS had an issue? Had the New York State tax office had an issue? If not, where is your just cause for seeing Trump’s tax returns?
                          It is simply the intense hatred for Trump that causes this ill-founded attempt to equate him with Al Capone. I would have expected that from JimL.
                          "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            Al Capone was prosecuted and convicted on tax evasion - for not filing tax returns. It was not because he refused to make them public.
                            The sequence is:

                            1. Supreme Court rules income from illegal alcohol sales is still taxable income.
                            2. The fed couldn’t bust Capone on anything else, so they charged the IRS to prove tax evasion.
                            3. They built a case that Capone had earned millions of dollars and had not filed a tax return.
                            4. Capone goes to jail.

                            So basically, Jim is saying that the IRS is too stupid to have noticed that Trump has done the same. It’s pretty much a conspiracy theory that is based on the belief Trump is guilty and we need to keep searching till we prove it.
                            "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                            GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                              The sequence is:

                              1. Supreme Court rules income from illegal alcohol sales is still taxable income.
                              2. The fed couldn’t bust Capone on anything else, so they charged the IRS to prove tax evasion.
                              3. They built a case that Capone had earned millions of dollars and had not filed a tax return.
                              4. Capone goes to jail.

                              So basically, Jim is saying that the IRS is too stupid to have noticed that Trump has done the same. It’s pretty much a conspiracy theory that is based on the belief Trump is guilty and we need to keep searching till we prove it.
                              It just amazes me that the hatred for Trump is so intense that it would cause otherwise highly intelligent people to jump to such unfounded conclusions.

                              Again, I completely understand why JimL would buy this crap - he has repeatedly demonstrated an profound ignorance of law and legal procedure.
                              "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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